GunnerBill

Did they? Those 215 yards passing and 25 yards rushing on 7 attempts were not the reason that game was at all close.

No, but he is strictly slot only.

They looked like they were observing though as in a "let's see how this goes" from what I saw. Maybe the photos / video gave a false impression.

Agree, I was just adding useful context. I do think Kincaid's usage was quite different between the two OCs. But I am totally on board with they have to get Kincaid down the field.

I'd completely forgotten about him until his name popped up. He was an important piece on those Clemson teams. Did he go undrafted?

If that is true that is a poor reflection on the Bills training staff. Because there is no way if you have a guy with a suspect torn bicep doing a push up to test it. There is a very widely accepted squeeze test that you do instantly and it generally gives you a pretty good guide. If he has torn his bicep the training staff have some serious questions to answer.

I think if Milano is out it is between Spector and Williams for the job. Williams is the more natural Will but the trusted Spector more at the end of last year and he has done some of both.

Kincaid's average depth of target did tick up pretty considerably under Brady as opposed to Dorsey. Was averaging a paltry 3.8 yards depth per target under Dorsey. Was up to 7.2 yards depth per target under Brady. That was one of the positive changes he made on offense. Two big games against the Pats and Steelers (playoffs) skew that a bit but they were two of the last 4 games and even without them it still ticked up more than a yard to 5.2 in the other 7 Brady coached games.

Fair, but we do know his yardage efficiency last year is way off any established NFL baseline. So either we think Shakir is like a generational type prospect or it is realistic to think it falls off some.

But fewer targets and more touchdowns. Wouldn't be totally unique but for a guy who is a team's 3rd wide receiver by targets and yards to have the most WR touchdowns..... that is pretty rare. Does not happen often.

I think you mean moved to WLB. Currently playing MLB but if he were moved to WLB still guys ahead of him?

I think there is almost zero chance Shakir's efficiency holds with a higher target share. The WGR morning show was talking about it last week. Sure his catch % may stay high, but when you are talking about the relatively middling volume of targets he had last year then breaking a couple of big plays from the slot skew the figures and his yards per reception get inflated.

None of which relates to the fact every thread the OP starts is the same. But thanks for playing.

Based on Saturday he has: - running round like his hair is on fire; - smashing into people indiscriminately; - overrunning simple outside zone plays; - atrocious lane discipline. We need him to step up in a huge way.

It is every thread he starts. How can I come up with another spurious way to try and make people agree with me that McDermott sucks. This one is not a particularly good effort.

That time of year folks, let's hear 'em! I always do 8 in total 4 league wide and 4 Bills specific and last year I landed 3 and was pretty close on 3 others. One of my better years. So here goes for 2024: Four non-Bills: - The Green Bay Packers to be the #1 seed in the NFC but not reach the Superbowl; - The Philadelphia Eagles to miss the playoffs and Nick Sirianni to be fired before the end of the season; - Justin Fields to be the Steelers' starter by Halloween and to play well enough to earn an extension after the season; - Marvin Harrison Junior to break Puka Nacua's rookie receiving record. Four Bills specific: - AJ Epenesa to produce double digit sacks for the first time and lead the team in that category; - Keon Coleman to have fewer targets and fewer yards than both Khalil Shakir and Curtis Samuel but to put up more touchdowns; - The Bills to trade away a day two pick in the 2025 NFL Draft for a wide receiver prior to the trade deadline; - Kaiir Elam to displace Rasul Douglas as a starting corner by the end of the season. Add your own and we will check back in due course.

I am no internet quack but based on the description of how it happened nerve and tendon damage was my fear. If that is the case that might not mean the entire year though. Depending on severity they could get him back down the stretch. Feels like that could be best case scenario at this point. It's $17m dead cap to cut bait after this season. I know we ate a lot of dead cap this year I sincerely hope Beane isn't planning on repeating that though.

Has McDermott said what his plan is with Josh / rest of the starters yet?

It is what I think and how I think the public would react, yes. I think honestly, Quarterback would move the line the most. The overwhelming public perception is that Patrick Mahomes is the heir to Brady and set to dominate the Superbowl for the next decade. Any team he went to would see their Superbowl odds shorten drastically. Quarterbacks are always the piece that moves the moneyline the most. Personally I think Quarterback might, right now, be where the smallest difference is. But I'm not sure that perception is shared among the wider public.

Right now I think all three would see the Bills odds shorten and the Chiefs odds drift. As of right here today I think KC has a better Head Coach, a better Quarterback and more top end talent on its overall roster without sacrificing depth. I think in previous years the roster one would have been a coin flip. The Bills were always deeper but with less top end talent. They are not even deeper this year.

That is definitely part of it. He is an outside, downfield, receiver. But he has had issues with drops as well. Particularly early in this NFL career in Tennessee.

He is a better roll of the dice than Claypool ever was IMO. But that is all he is. A roll of the dice.

Imagine if the Bears used that 9th overall pick well... would look even more brutal.

Agree. It is an area Josh is not elite in. He has a tendency to be high in the quick game which gives defenders a split second to close. But it is definitely oline too. When a team can sell out and crash down on the middle of our line we are vulnerable.

If we are adding coaches it's easy.... Rex Ryan. Absolute prick of a man.