GunnerBill

We did not have loads of success on third downs where Diggs was out. That was the point of dispute.

Of course I mean to do it consistently in NFL games. Practice is what it is. I think it is unrealistic to expect him to do it consistently in actual NFL games at this stage. That isn't a ceiling cap either. It is a cap on what I think is realistic to expect as a rookie based on who he was in college and is right now. Of course we wouldn't be worrying about that so much if there were more viable NFL outside receivers on the roster. But we have one slot (Shakir), one flex guy (Samuel) and a career depth guy outside (Hollins). The pressure on Coleman as a rookie comes from what the team didn't do otherwise in the receiver room.

Ah okay. Yea they play that too. But Blaydon Races is the hairs on the back of the neck moment.

The crowds are great and Blaydon Races is the best song in the Premier League. But it is about an old race track in County Durham and the references in it are very particular to that part of the world. Not sure it can be picked up and used anywhere else. Best ground and best football city in England though IMO. It feels like what football used to be (the Bills probably has a bit of that vibe in the NFL). It is a one club city and the ground is up on the hill and looks down on everything around it. People walking up the hill on match day is like a pilgimage. Love it.

Under Josh's wings? Never. As WEO says elite QBs don't groom their successors. But taking a shot on a young guy on day 3 of the draft? I'd have considered it this year or last. They should look IMO. Just not a Jake Fromm physically maxed out game manager.

And you know what changed? They increasingly used him from the slot to help him with his releases and to find more zone coverage he could take advantage of. I am with Joe Marino and what he said the other day. If you want Coleman to win you gotta put him in positions where he can run to space and use his athleticism. Some of that is finding him the soft spot in zones out of the slot some of it is designing plays to get the ball in his hands near the line and then let him run to space. Or you throw up jump balls to him and try and have him fight throught traffic - but that route IMO isn't a sustianable way to live in the NFL. Expecting Keon to win with precision or nuance in his release, his route running and his understanding of leverage at this stage just isn't realistic. Joe and I seem to see him exactly the same. Probably not surprising. We were pretty aligned on him pre-draft too.

This is an exaggeration. Sure, it happened. But "many third downs" nah. We did not have many third downs where Stef went out and we had success passing the ball.

I am not sure I agree this year. I think the gap between rosters is pretty wide too. That hasn't been the case in previous years. To give some sense of scale (not talking betting odds now) I'd say the gap between Quarterbacks is 1 to 2 points in the Chiefs favour. The gap between coaching and rosters are both in the 5 to 6 point range in their favour this year. Go back two seasons I'd have had roster a point or two in the Bills favour.

Agree with this. But to see two stalwart players like White and Milano both go down with consecutive long term injuries right on top of one another is just pure bad luck IMO. Nothing anyone could have done differently. Although trainers letting a guy that might have torn a bicep do a push up was beyond silly the damage was, by then, done.

Green Bay WILL be better than Detroit. Book it.

I prefer him to you.

I see the Spursy - Billsy comparison. Ability to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory in a way that goes across eras and regimes because it just seems built into the organisation. But I also wonder if there isn't some Arsenal in there. A long drought followed by a lot of very good but not quite good enough. That said the Bills are realistically one of the smallest markets in the NFL. In that way it has some Ipswich Town about it. Had a glory period some time ago. There is no perfect comparison but those are the three comparisons that spring to mind.

I think yes but its mainly because Im down on the AFC East. Expect a Miami step back and not sold on the Jets. If those two are good I think we might be in trouble. 10-7 or 11-6. The latter would be enough if we are a wildcard candidate. The former might not.

No, not at all. There is a very established test you do for an initial prognosis of a bicep tear and it does not involve a push up. Some questions to be answered for the training staff 100%.

I meant to type one of the favourites. My point was he would cut the odds of any team other than the Chiefs that he was traded to. In this "thought exercise". Let's say he signed now for Denver or Atlanta or Seattle.... they would jump into the top 3 or 4 in the betting instantly. If that team was already in the top 6 of favourites they'd jump to the top. But I accept I worded that carelessly.

Yes. All the NFL money lines ever. Your point that they are normally pricing in a larger drop off are fair, but what is pretty proven at this stage is almost nothing else moves NFL money lines. It is just QB status. Teams swapping out coaches or losing star pass rushers or star receivers barely registers. It is basically Quarterbacks. That is what moves the lines.

To claim this board blames Josh is to intentionally spread a mistruth. I'm sorry, it just is. And the bolded shows you will never take part in any conversation openly. Every player, every coach, every owner, every person can be questioned, criticised, debated and analysed. That is sports. To say one person, whoevet they are, is above that is utterly nonsensical.

You think TBD blames Allen????? Are you for real?

Whoever Mahomes plays for would be the Superbowl favourites.

You don't need scheme to know where your gap is on a simple outside zone run.

He is nowhere near ready if last Saturday is anything to go by.

Totally agree. And yea, Ed is clearly the 2nd best player on the team IMO. It isn't even close.

Top end talent and coaching are similar right now in terms of bigger gap. But it is proven over time it is Quarterbacks that move NFL betting lines more than anything else. And wider public opinion is NOT on your horse. Mahomes would move lines if he moved teams even if the other team was getting Allen or Burrow or Stroud or whoever the other way.

The Bills lost the turnover battle 3-0 and won the game.

Would be cool. Might happen post new stadium, but I imagine there are a few other places ahead in the queue