GunnerBill

I was gonna say... 3rd and 4 woulda been like when the Giants tried a QB sneak on 3rd and 12.

Zay with a hell of a touchdown catch

On 3rd down?

Jordan Addison has his first TD.

Agree. Head has completely gone. I thinj he has some physical talent. I question his mental toughness.

Yep.

Yea my old man has early onset dementia in his 60s linked to his soccer career (he was a pro for a few years then a top semi-pro for a decade or more) and he absolutely says he would not change a minute of it and they were the best times of his life. I totally believe him too.

49ers @ Steelers is on tv over here. Then I'll watch redzone on my ipad via Game Pass.

I will have Steelers - 9ers on one screen. Redzone on the other

I watched two excellent games yesterday: Texas A&M going down at Miami and Texas' victory at Alabama. Didn't get to watch any of week 1, but really enjoyed week 2.

Agree. You know it's bad when halfway through the game I look down at my 'Bama notes and I've got "Kicker might be draftable." I do think Ewers is good though. Had he not got hurt the Longhorns win the game last year. The reality for Alabama is that there was a period 5-10 years ago where they just out talented everyone. The gap has closed. I don't think they have the studs they did. I don't know what that is, whether it is NIL or whether it is just that other programmes have caught up to what 'Bama was doing recruiting wise and are recruiting much more nationally... but first it was Clemson, then it was Georgia, now Texas. I think we are seeing the end of the dynasty. Got to ask how much longer Saban sticks with it.

I enjoyed it. And I thought what came across so clearly with Meyer was how the joy of winning is so fleeting. The grind is so all encompassing. I say it all the time - it's the climb.

He has never had the strongest arm in fairness.

I think Goff was fine (no brilliant but just fine). I thought Reynolds and Jones dropping passes was more the problem. In fact on both sides it was a mess of wide receiver play.

I think what it will do for the belief and mentality is bigger than the performance which I agree wasn't special.

I expect both defensive lines to win their battles.

I mean I'd say 2 yards per play over the average in that game when he is out there is pretty defined. When he was out there in that game the Bills were better to the tune of 2 yards per play which in NFL terms is massive. That is my definition. In those games against that particular opponent his impact is clear, defined, and measurable. Doesn't mean he is irreplaceable. Doesn't mean he has that impact every week, he doesn't but there are certain opponents where the Bills want to get that opponent to stay in base defense and want to force them to play 3 linebackers where Reggie Gilliam's versatility and skillset are a tool in the toolbox. And when you add to what he does on Special Teams you end up with someone whos is well worth the value on his contract.

Possible. Or they just liked Corral in that draft and wanted a look. Have looked and decided they are better sticking.

Hmm. Don't know. What I do know is the days Arsenal play at 4.30pm and the Bills at 6pm (like next week) are ***** awful.

I have given you an answer elsewhere but this isn't based on anything. It is gut feeling. Your argument, I think, Tom Brady (the GOAT) is worth what 4 (I think it was actually 5 if I remember) wins more than Cam Newton the following year when Cam was the worst starter in the league. Yep. I'm somewhat surprised the gap wasn't bigger. It should have been. Getting 7 wins out of that New England team in 2020 was a hell of a job. I know you were averaging and they won 10 with Mac. And that kinda proves the point, right? It depends what the baseline is. If you are comparing an elite QB against a terrible one (which Cam was that year in NE he was totally washed and which Kyle Allen is) the gap might be as big as 6 games. If you are comparing an elite QB to a middling starter it might be 4 games. If you are comparing to a good starter it might be a couple of games. EDIT: also worth saying the talent on those New England rosters since Brady has been pretty ropey. It wasn't great Tom's last year in fairness but then after he left Collins and Van Noy left, Hightower and Chung opted out, Edelman and Gilmore got hurt. That is why isolating single factors in a scientific way is never possible. All you can do is have a rough guess because no two rosters ever do stay the same year to year except for one piece.

On THIS point. On Gilliam. I have given you the evidence. The numbers. And the plays. You ignore them. As for putting a number on Allen's games worth to us... this roster with Barkley or Kyle Allen at Quarterback would win about 6 games. If we had a top level backup we would win about 8. If you swapped Josh Allen with Dak or Carr or Kirk we'd win about 10. With Josh we should win about 12. But there is no science behind that. It is just guessing as you go up the tiers of alternative QB options. Is that what you wanted?

My position has never changed. It is there very clearly in this threat all the way through. Consistent. The problem is you in every single scenario willfully read thing that are not there into my posts. And then start long arguments about things I haven't said. I am not backtracking. The point has never been that the individual elements of what Gilliam does are irreplaceable. The argument has always been that the package is very difficult to find in one player. Reggie Gilliam far from costing us a roster spot that could go to someone more impactful saves us at least one possibly two because he can do so many of the unfashionable jobs that have to be done on an NFL football team and despite them not being "impact plays" those unfashionable jobs impact outcomes. But even when presented with the evidence of how that can be true you say you don't believe it. So of course we are never going to agree. Because I have evidence. And you have feelings.

The evidence is actually 3 specific plays AND the numbers. And I never argued the offense wouldn't be "fine" without Gilliam. That is yet another strawman. My argument was entirely about the fact that he serves a dual role on offense and a key role on special teams in one player. And that level of versatility and flexibility makes him valuable to the roster. Read back. That was always my argument. It was finding a player who can be used in the ways Gilliam can on offense and be a very good STer in a single body isn't easy and he saves us a roster spot in that sense. Before he was here we had Pat DiMarco, to play full back, we had Lee Smith to be a blocking only tight end. That was 1 full back, 4 tight ends. We are now at 1 full back, 3 tight ends.... and he is better than Julian Stanford the backup linebacker who was playing his primary ST responsibilities previously. That has ALWAYS been my justification of Gilliam's roster spot. You get a ST stud and save a spot on offense. And you get that in one player. And he can be used on offense in a way neither Lee Smith or Pat DiMarco could. The Beane one. It is roughly 50% QB, 25% rest of roster, 25% coaching. So QB is worth about double of the other two elements.

It is in the other thread.

You should really read what I say. I said "Because without racking up numbers he has had a big impact on both." That is quite clear I wasn't talking about him making big impact plays. I was talking about his usage having a big impact. And it did. The numbers prove it. I can't link the video because it came from my Game Pass subscription. If I linked to it they'd be dead links to anyone who doesn't have my Game Pass. It is why I was careful to give the exact time stamps for the plays I was referring to. On Klein my logic was he'd make the team as the break glass in case of emergency "at least we know who this guy is" in case whoever won the starting job sucked so badly they had to pull the plug. I have provided you the link to that view.