GunnerBill

I think I agree with @BeavercreekBillsFan here - Kyle likes guys who run his plays. Because he is the best play designer in football. I don't think he is as good as a playcaller as Reid (and there are probably a few others you could throw in that mix as playcallers - Pederson, McVay actually even Josh McDaniels) but as a play designer, he is unparalleled IMO. Shanahan beats teams on the whiteboard with the Xs and Os. His big successes in his career have come with Matt Schaub, Matt Ryan, Jimmy G and Brock Purdy. Guys who are very much system Quarterbacks who run the play as it is designed. Matt Ryan was a very good system Quarterback and probably was a top 6 or 7 guy in the league at the time. So I'm not saying he wants average QBs but he wants guys who do not ad-lib too much. He wants you to run the play he designed. Maybe he could coach Josh into that guy, I'm not convinced though.

And remained so until about 3 days ago. Then when it goes wrong it's all the coaches.

Based on what? I don't think it is coaching. Josh has always been an impulsive football player. It was one of the things I didn't like on hi Wyoming tape he was so instinctive I didn't always see evidence that he could win his brain. There was a period in 2020 however when he seemed master of all he commanded. I just fear we haven't seen that for some time. Could it be that coaching has 'caused' a regression? I mean it could but I am not sold that there is any real evidence to support that. I think the impulsiveness of Josh as a personality is just taking over. Almost like Mr Hyde is breaking out over the cerebral De Jekyll. That impulsiveness has always been there. It is controlling his mind that I think we need to address. I'd start with a psychologist not a football coach. I also think, and I have said this elsewhere, that there is something outside of football going on at the moment. He looked like a zombie in the playoff loss to Cincy and it was the same on Monday. I remember when Josh would get mad at himself about mistakes. Or he'd get flustered. We are not even seeing that at the moment we are seeing a guy who mentally just doesn't look dialled in, doesn't sound dialled in when he speaks. His post game presser was odd. I'm not saying it is the Hollywood girlfriend or anything else specifically. I don't know. But something is off with him. Agree, so would I. But I'm not sure moving on from the coaching staff if we have a Quarterback issue this season should be the answer either. We have to find solutions.

So the argument goes from "McDermott is along for the ride we win because of Josh" To "Why is Josh Allen not an all world Quarterback at the moment, it must be McDermott's fault" Some people have already decided their answer and will bend every single piece of evidence to fit the narrative. Joe Marino is spot on. Monday was on Josh Allen. Nobody else.

You weren't quite the only one. I was a regular Daboll defender. But it was like holding back the hoards at times.

All the major European soccer stadiums do. They are all grass fields at the top level and they all have the lighting trusses that are on it almost permanently on non-game days. The officials are huddling.... here comes the announcement "Visa Violation, Offense, 15 yard penalty, re-play 2nd down"

It isn't dysfunctional. McDermott and Beane both report to Pegula. You make it sound as if the only way to win in the NFL is a traditional linear structure... where the Owner hires a Chief Exec / President, who hires a GM, who hires a HC. That isn't how the Pats have been structured. It isn't how the Chiefs are structured. It wasn't how the Buccs were structured. It isn't how the 49ers are structured. Are they all dysfunctional too? This is another way of you saying "I don't like McDermott and unless he is fired I will moan endlessly."

He was on Monday and to be honest his performances since the Green Bay game last year..... are those of a QB on a team that is good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win it all. We need Josh to play better if we are going to win a Superbowl. Since the middle of last season he hasn't played well enough.

FWIW he graded out as our best guy per PFF too: Cybo - 69.7 Dion - 65.2 Morse - 60.3 Brown - 55.7 McGovern - 43.9 To add some context to that though McGovern scored 70.6 as a pass blocker it was his atrocious run blocking score of 30.9 that dragged him down. The only one of the 5 to score below a 63 as a pass blocker was Spencer Brown at 58.0. Which I think matched the eye test. The Bills OL pass blocked pretty well on Monday save for 1 or 2 noticeable breakdowns (which happen in every game to almost every line).

I remember the days when 80% of this board were convinced Daboll sucked and wanted him fired. Fun times.

Fair enough. Hope it works for Shakir.

I am not sure how that helps a guy like Shakir. Go train with Wes Welker or Julian Edelman or Cole Beasley. Not sure what a guy like Shakir can take from a guy like Moulds who had physical gifts way beyond what Khalil has.

Based on the past 2 years, yes. They really did not play badly on Monday. But the fact it has gone in Josh's head after 2 years of pretty shambolic offensive lines... I can't blame him for that. Beane has mismanaged those oline decisions.

Against the ratio of plays where he can't block, can't run routes and can't catch. He also definitively cannot play outside. I liked the Shakir pick. I actually had a late 3rd on him coming out. He has done nothing to impress me since he has been here. People are talking him up because they haven't seen him.

I am not disagreeing I am just not expressing an opinion on specific names at this stage. I am aware of Nelson, less so of Coleman. But I only commit to names once I have watched guys.

Too early for me to say who but tackle and receiver are the two candidates for round 1 IMO. But the tackle must be able to play left. And a receiver must be capable of being a #1 beyond Stef's time.

Has he? I disagree.

Yep 5 first downs in 12 carries including two short yardage tough runs. And the 5 yard loss was not on him. He never had a shot.

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He was in a bit of a rotation with Sherfield. They had some 2 WR sets with Diggs and Trent. I was actually surprised to see his snap count. My instinct was he missed more than 2 or 3 plays. I wouldn't put Shakir in though. I haven't seen anything to make me think he has earned it. Poor camp and pre-season.

The oline played a pretty good game on Monday given the opposition.

Agree with that. The Bills have been a bad shotgun run team ever since Chan left the building. It is ironic. Chan's offense was at times 90% shotgun runs and screens and now the two things we can't do are shotgun runs and screens. Cook acounted for 5 first downs rushing on his 12 runs, and at least two of them were from 4 yards and in - short yardage up the middle runs. If you take out the one 5 yard loss (Quinnen Williams blew up McGovern and Cook never had a chance) which was, surprise surprise from shotgun. He was 11 for 51, 4.6 per carry and 5 first downs. The people saying "he isn't a #1 back" on the basis of Monday have nothing to support their thesis when you actually look at the plays.

Yea the backups were in on that drive. They started with the 1s but when the Jets got their first 1st down of the drive they subbed them out. Presumably thinking they needed fresh legs. Then having just watched it back the two "goal to go" plays they brought Ed and Daquan back in at DT but Shad played LDE and AJE played RDE.

I think it would take more than 2 weeks to make that move, but agree they have another proven vet in the building and so they won't just let it drag on if it proves more than a slightly sloppy night. And he wasn't terrible, but he can definitely play better and we need to see it asap.

In fairnese the Oline was pretty good in 2020. It is the only year of Beane's stewardship I'd say that for and how much no crowds played in is a fair question but that line was top half of the league. Coincidently it was Allen's career year. I thought McGovern was disappointing. Not his best game. I still have hope for him as a signing though. Remember Saffold was good week 1 last year.... then terrible the rest of the season.