GunnerBill

I don't expect it to change massively.

I know it is not x+y=z. And yes, we have made the plays at the end in the regular season they have made them in the playoffs. It isn't by any means impossible that it flips in the 2025 postseason. But I do think a genuine vertical threat receiver would help.

Yea but we need to be able to make those plays when we have the ball with a chance to win. Because every Bills - Chiefs game goes to the final 3 minutes. I don't think if our D holds them to 17 we are winning 29-17. I think it is 17-17 with 3 minutes to play. That is what those games are like. They are nip and tuck and you have to make the plays at the end. Now would it be nice one year for our D to make that play at the end? 100% yes. But give me the choice now do I wanna be 21-17 down with Josh having the ball and us on offense or 21-17 up with Pat having the ball and us on defense... I am always choosing the former.

But there would always have been that other guy higher on his board. And that is my theory I don't think he ignores receiver on draft day. I don't think they place enough value on receiver who can make plays down the field when they build their board.

Every year? He must be the unluckiest GM in football then.

Should rename him Yellow Joe.

Yea I don't think McDermott is storming out of the room Doug Marrone style everytime Brandon drafts him a defensive player haha. But honestly this is the way Brandon believes teams should be built. He said it again in that interview today "you gotta have a Quarterback, and then you gotta be good up front." Given a choice between a lineman and a receiver he will always go lineman. It is just who he is. It is like anything, I am now a director at work and I sometimes catch myself making decisions or even using phrases that I go "man I sound just like the guy who was director when I started at bottom of the totem pole." We are all influenced by the professional cultures and philosophies we are exposed to earlier in our careers. And to be clear - just in case Brandon is reading - I think he is a good general manager and I think he just had the best first 2 days of any draft since he snagged Josh Allen. You can believe that and still say the data supports him undervaluing receiver compared to the rest of the NFL. It is what it is.

Gettleman drafted on WR in 5 drafts as Panthers GM. Marty Hurney drafted 6 in the first two days in 15 drafts as the GM over two spells.

No, you don't. But when GMs have 5 plus years in a job certain trends display themselves.

I also think Jeremy was salty at the end "we are not playing fantasy football, we are smarter than that, and we are not here to be belittled" It was all a bit tense. Anyone know where Joe was during the whole thing? He was happy for Jeremy to take the heat 🤣

I think Jerry is wrong. It is not McDermott's influence. It is Hurney and Gettleman's. GM comes from team that undervalues drafting receivers and undervalues drafting receivers. More at 9.

Shenault will not make this roster

Wow. Just started listening. He comes in HOOOOOOOOTTTTT

No the argument I was responding to is improve the defense and you won't need the plays at the end to win at the end. You will. Those games always come down to the end. Now could it be that it is our D out there trying to make the stop that their D has the last two years? Sure. And maybe the defensive upgrades mean we will but I'm sceptical. And I guarantee if you offered any Chiefs fan the choice... final big drive of the game... ball in Josh's hands or in Pat's they'd take Pat's every single time. The same as we'd take Josh's. Yes you can win it with your defense on the final drive. But when you are talking two elite quarterbacks the offense should have the advantage.

Yea. But the Bills - Chiefs will come down to the end. The two teams know one another too well and they prepare for one another too well. The Chiefs ran 5 plays in the AFCCG they hadnt run all season. And then even when they couldn't move the ball at all vs Philly they ran zero new plays. I just think that is the reality of this rivalry. Maybe one blows the other out once in every 7 or 8 games. Most will come down to the end of the 4th. Whether shootouts or defensive battles.

I just really doubt that. I know it hasn't happened in the playoffs but we have played defensive battles against them in the regular season. 20-17 and 24-20. If we hold them to 20, I bet they hold us right around that too and it still comes down to the final 2 or 3 minutes of the ball game.

They had one for MVS as the WR5 early in 2024.

And to be clear I am not hating on the draft. The most important part of the draft is the premium picks the first two days and I think Beane did as good a job with them as he has since 2018. I am a bit more ciritical of his approach to the vet market in terms of FA and trades but I have no doubt the Bills will win the division and win a playoff game or two as long as Josh is healthy. My worry is that we will end up facing KC having the ball at the end, for a 3rd year in a row and not be able to get it done. And I am less persuaded that just upgrading the defense is the answer there. That isn't how the Bills - Chiefs games are. It won't matter whether we play a 32-29 game or a 20-17 game. The result will come down to the final 3 minutes and I think all of us would rather in that situation the ball be in Josh's hand than in Pat's. And then we gotta make the critical plays. Do we yet have the guys to do it?

I don't disagree. Was a tough year to be in that market. The reason I'd have spent an early day 3 pick on one is in the hope you might at least get someone who can come in for a specific package of plays that threatens that and where he has to be accounted for in the hope it dictates to defenses. Cooper gave us that after his signing last year. Teams felt when he was out there that they at least needed to defend the vertical outside routes and it opened other things up. My concern remains the Baltimore week 4 gameplan. Do we have enough to counter it if teams just say "have the outside, you are not hurting us there"?

The ones who do it consistently sure are.

The ones who can do it consistently, yes. The Bills only two potential options for addressing that this offseason were a trade for DK and/or a trade up and take a swing at Golden as a projection of a guy who might. But there are guys who can do it who are less all around consistent guys. That is what John Brown was for us in 2019 for example.

And for a first round pick not to be invested in you a buy that. For a fourth round pick not to be invested I buy it less.

As I mentioned earlier he doesn't really get off press on the outside and his lack of length hurts there. Equally if he doesn't win quickly at the start of the route his lack of size makes him easier to box out as a defender. I think he can do some downfield stuff but you have to scheme it up well and get him against advantageous looks. What the Bills still lack even if they sign Moore is the guy who can go down the field outside and win even when everyone on the defense knows that is what the Bills want to do.

I think Palmer plays faster than his 40 time, but he is more a guy who wins with his routes than just that vertical speed. Look if they can add Moore I will feel a lot better going into this year about the WRs than I did going into last year before the Cooper trade but I'm still not sure they have that true downfield outside guy I really wanted them to find.

There is more to being a vertical, downfield receiver on the outside than speed. A bit part is getting off press and his short arms restrict him there. I think you can do some stuff with him vertically if you can get him in advantageous situations vs bracket zone coverages but he isn't going to be a consistent enough outside vertical guy to back teams off the line with any regularity. That isn't saying don't sign him. I like the idea. Just be realistic about what it is.