GunnerBill
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In the words of Bill Belichick "who has been wrong more since leaving Washington than Charley Casserly?"
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That was because they limped out Shady though. Gilleslee was running fine but they only gave him the ball 5 times.
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When you're up in the fourth quarter you run to put the game away. They couldn't.
Would it surprise you to find out that against Baltimore they ran for 65 yards and against Miami 67?
Against Baltimore they couldn't run. Against Miami they could... they just didn't for some unkown reason. Gilleslee had a productive day they just didn't feed him.
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I guess I disagree on that.
The team has had no difficulty leading the league in rushing two consecutive years with a 7th round pick and a street FA starting at RT. The passing offense, however, has been dismal without 2 productive wideouts on the field.
I don't mean to marginalize the position--there's no doubt it's a need. I simply believe that safety and WR are bigger needs, and that RT can be addressed mid-round. A guy like Bisnowaty would be ideal IMO.
I am not advocating a right tackle in the first just to be clear. I think it is way too early to have a view on where I'd like them to go in the draft.
If it came down to an offensive tackle or a receiver with the same grade on both I would probably lean receiver but I wouldn't be furious in that scenario if they took a tackle.
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I see your point I guess I'm just not willing to admit that Tyrod is at his ceiling yet. I'm also not ready to start a season with Hoyer as I think he is worse than Tyrod (I really do see your money point tho). Yes Hoyer has been to the playoffs but Brock Osweiler is looking to pull off the same feat with the same team. I don't think anyone here wants him for any price.
And I understand those saying don't downgrade Quarterback in any circumstances. I just don't agree it is that cut and dried.
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But my point is you are not tied to Brian Hoyer for two years with a load of guaranteed money and Hoyer has been in the playoffs as a Quarterback. We know what he is, the same as we know what Hoyer is.... but Hoyer is disposable any time we find the upgrade we are looking for. Tyrod, if we take up the option, is not.For me Hoyer represents everything that MajBobby and others are arguing against doing with Tyrod. We absolutely know what Hoyer is. An average QB in this league. He is 31 as opposed to 27 for Tyrod. He (imo) isn't going to improve or get better. He is what he is at this point and that isn't adding in the fact that he would be new to the system, isn't nearly as mobile, is less accurate over his career, he isn't someone I would look at as an improvement over Tyrod.
Put it another way. If Brian Hoyer is our day 1 starter next year who thinks we have a shot at the playoffs?
EDIT: Look I accept we are not going to ditch TT. He will be the Quarterback here in 2017. It is when people pretend like all the alternatives are a lot worse I object. It is possible to have a rational view against taking up the option based on what we have seen of TT without being a hater or someone who believes in fantasy land alternatives.
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The idea has been perpetuated here that Hoyer equals "bottoming out". I want to challenge that with... you know.... numbers.
Hoyer's regular season career record as a starter is 16-16. When you look at the record in games where he has been playing as a starter (ie. not because the starter is injured) his record is a winning one. He had a winning record when doing his cruciate ligament in 2013 against the Bills, a winning record when benched for Manziel in Cleveland in 2014, and a winning record as the starter in Houston last season.
I would argue that if you put him on this Bills team at less than half of Tyrod's 2017 cost and spent the money to keep or replace Gilmore, keep Zach Brown and bring in a vet Safety then the Bills team would be a lot better than the Browns teams he went 10-7 with and at least as good if not a bit better than the Houston team he went 5-4 with.
I don't think swapping out Tyrod for Hoyer plus the cap space to fill key positions would be a downgrade indeed I submit it would be an opportunity to get a little better.
Would I swap Tyrod straight up for Hoyer at the same $$$s? No way. But that isn't what we are discussing. We are talking about whether Tyrod's play is significant enough of a factor in the W column to justify the money associated with the option.
I understand the people who say "the Quarterback is the most important player on the field you never willingly downgrade even just a little bit if you want to improve" I am just not sure I agree with them. If it is a game manager at $16m or a game manager of a different style at $5m then even the $16m guy being a little bit better does not justify the $$ differential and that difference might cost you 3 other pieces.
Just my opinion of course.
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After week 12:
Yards per game allowed: Rank - 10th (Up 2)
Pass YPG allowed: Rank - 8th (Up 3)Rush YPG allowed: Rank - 21th (Down 1)
Points per game allowed: Rank - 12th (unchanged)
3rd down %: Rank - 21th (Down 2)
Sacks: Rank - 2nd (Down 1)
Takeaways: Rank - 14th (unchanged)
Points Per Drive: Rank - 17th (Up 1)
% of drives ending in scores: Rank - 17th (Up 1)Overall a solid week, but we have dropped NINE places in two weeks in 3rd down percentage. That is a worry going into two tough games against good offenses (of which we must win at least one to stay alive). For information Oakland's offense is 17th in 3rd down conversions - one ahead of Buffalo - Pittsburgh is 11th.
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he reads perfectly.....his issue is that he is risk adverse.....doesn't "force" the ball into mistakes.
I don't think he reads it perfectly. If he does he throws that simple TD to Tate in Cincy. I think Tyrod reads defenses okay on plays that take longer to develop but is not always on time with his throws. Where I think he struggles is on the bang bang quick reads. Where it is get the ball in your hands, read one defender and make a throw. As a result the Bills don't run many of these concepts which are pretty much a staple across the NFL (I watched the Rams and the Saints condensed game last night and they were the majority of the plays they had in for Goff). I think that in turn has an impact on the efficiency of the passing game.
I suppose that goes in part to the discussion about "unconventional"..... what you lose from not having those bang bang quick hitters you gain at least in part from his ability to make broken plays with his legs and arm down the field. That isn't what bothers me. I don't want to make him a pocket passer because that isn't him........ I just need him to make 2 or 3 more plays a game in crucial situations and the offensive scheme is getting people open more often than not on those plays.... he just isn't quite making enough of them.
But look Tyrod is what he is.... somewhere between the 18th and 22nd best Quarterback in the National Football League. I just think that like the others in that category he is a guy you can't seriously expect to win big with. Sneak into the playoffs as wildcard a couple of times in his career? Sure, that's possible. But that is a ceiling for me and I don't know if it is worth tying so much money up in when I can get there with guys who are the 26th and 27th best as well for less money and a better supporting cast. The Bills are going to though.... and we will see how it plays out.
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Don't know who played RT for Denver.... but the one before that was New England so would that be Sebastien Vollmer? And I think for Seattle the year before that it was Giacomini who is now on the Jets?Without looking, name for me the RT of any of the last 3 Super Bowl Champions.
Now, without looking, name for me the #2 WR of any of the last 3 Super Bowl Champions.
Okay, okay the AFC East link helps on those two I admit. I think the year before that Michael Oher had been moved to RT in season by the Ravens.
#2receivers.... so it would be Sanders, Amendola, Baldwin (Golden Tate was the #1 in so far as that team had a #1).
EDIT: I know the point you are trying to make Bandit but in fairness I do remember the name of the RT for the Panthers last year - it was Mike Remmers, an ageing vet who had an odd bounce back year but then whose singular failure to hold up in pass protection was the defining matchup of Superbowl 50.
I'm not generally a fan of drafting RTs in the 1st round unless you have a plan to eventually move them to LT but I think especially for a team like the Bills I could argue it is at least as important as a #2 receiver.
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Yeah he'd need another 4,000 all purpose yards away from being considered. He'd have over 15K all purpose and around over 100 TD's - so that would put him close.
Or to carry a team without a franchise QB on his back to a Superbowl......... hint, hint Shady.
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all while running for his life because the RG & RT are way below average
The RG is not way below average.
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I just played with the ESPN playoff machine, and here's the low-down:
If the team goes 4-1 the rest of the way, with the only loss coming to a non-division team, they're extremely likely to get in...I base this on the fact that the machine puts them as the 6th seed with a 10-6 record (wins against Miami and the Jets are non-negotiable) and the remainder of the schedule playing out in favor of the team with the higher win percentage.
I have had two goes today.... both times the two wildcard teams have better records than the winners of the South and the North.
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I do worry about it. While a lot of people obsess about the McCoy contract or the Sammy trade up (both of which were high prices but to get elite talents) I was worried about paying a high price for a solid tight end. Better than what he replaced? Sure. Anywhere near worth the contract? Nope.
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- There is a lot of promise heading into 2017 with Anthony Lynn running his scheme.
If he still here. He will get interviews everywhere there are HC vacancies this offseason.
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This season would suddenly get very interesting if the Bills knocked off the Raiders.
IF that happened.... and it's a big IF.... then I am convinced we make the playoffs. The momentum created would be huge.
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Was nice to see Tyrod make that needed throw on 3rd down to ice the game yesterday
And Goodwin battled to make sure he got there.
I also loved the play call to finally ice it on the Shady run. Loved, loved, loved that play call. Bring the extra big lineman in fake the sweep to that side and pitch it out the other way to your best player. All the things I love in that scenario - a play that keeps the clock running, something other than what they expect and the ball in the hands of your best player. Nothing annoys me more than when the Bills (or any other team) on a vital 3rd down to ice or win a game go to a guy they never normally go to.
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I think Rex Ryan has done a much better coaching job so far this year than he did in 2015.
Sammy is back, Marcel is back, Shady is all-world, the schedule looks like one we can attack. Let's go get it.
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I don't know if it has changed since Roman got fired, but David Lee was the passing game coordinator and Roman was the run game coordinator. So that may still be the set up with Lynn.
Hmmm. I thought it was Chris Palmer not David Lee?
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Just watching the replay of the Raiders against Carolina & Mack is a man among men A Lynn better have a good plan for him because he's gonna be there all day long ...
Against a relatively immobile guard playing as a fish out of water at right tackle.
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The 2nd drive of the second half where he held the ball with guys open on 2nd and 3rd down I confess I screamed with rage at my screen. Thankfully he was much better after that in the 2nd half.
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A win is a win is a win is a win is a win. KC last year made the play-offs beating I think it was 2 starting Quarterbacks all season. Ever single week they seemed to play a team playing their backup.
You are what your record says you are - Doug Marrone was 9-7 whoever the Pats ran out there in the 2nd half of week 17.
Rex last year was 8-8 regardless of beating Dallas' scout teamers in week 16.
None of the rest matters. Count up the wins at the end of the season and see how many you have. It doesn't matter if Derek Carr, David Carr or Donald Duck are playing Quarterback. Get the W. That is all that counts.
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holes
#1 - RT (if TT played behind dallas Oline he'd be a superstar)
#2 - Safety (pitiful)
#3 - NT (we don't have a true NT, both dareus & kyle are DE's in a 3-4)
#4 - QB (we can win with TT, but i'm all for someone better)
#1 - agreed.
#2 - I'd actually put as a bigger need than #1.
#3 - I would have agreed last year when we were just using our nose tackle as a space eater. Actually the way we are running the defense this year I think Marcel is pretty much perfect for the role. I think kudos to Rex because I think that change is not an accident it is a specific design.
#4 - I think to be a regular contender we need a better Quarterback. Yesterday was a microcosm of Tyrod Taylor. First half Tyord - horrible. Second half Tyrod - yes, you can win with.
#5 - I would add receiver. I'm pretty sure Bob Woods will move on, Harvin will crawl back under his rock and Goodwin probably won't be back. I'd like them to keep Hunter on at a reasonable price and try and integrate him into the offense as more than just a redzone threat, add a wily veteran slot guy and draft one in the first couple of rounds. That would give you a respectable 4 and then Listenbee if he amounts to anything can takeover the Goodwin role.
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Where is Al Michaels?
OK, let's do this: Tyrod Taylor
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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'Cos he bails clean pockets into rushes. What confuses me is I don't think he looks that bad when he stands in there and shows patience. If you could stop the early bailing I suspect you'd get more consistent play.