GunnerBill
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How many of those can be tendered? The Bills track record under Whaley is that they try and tender contributing RFAs. TD Mike for example if he is an RFA will be tendered.
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After week 13:
Yards per game allowed: Rank - 12th (Down 2)
Pass YPG allowed: Rank - 8th (unchanged)Rush YPG allowed: Rank - 26th (Down 5)
Points per game allowed: Rank - 17th (Down 5)
3rd down %: Rank - 22nd (Down 1)
Sacks: Rank - 3rd (Down 1)
Takeaways: Rank - 18th (Down 4)
Points Per Drive: Rank - 17th (unchanged)
% of drives ending in scores: Rank - 17th (unchanged)No green on the board this week.
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These QBs are a waste of time, IMO. Just keep drafting on every year until you hit on the guy.
I am kind of here. If you want to find a long term franchise answer guy the chances are you are finding him in the draft.
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Only ones on his list I think you could argue TT is as good as are Kaepernick, Osweiler and the three rookies not name Carson Wentz. I'd be happier with both Goff and Lynch as my QB right now too (and I really was not a fan of Lynch's game in college) because the potential is still there.
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Depends what we are looking for. I have already floated some names of guys who I think they could consider if they just want someone to keep them ticking over for a year because they don't want to pay Tyrod middling starter money for bottom end of the league play. Hoyer would be top of my list there and I'd consider Mike Glennon and Nick Foles (if released) as well. None of those are future franchise Quarterbacks but they would be capable of helping the Bills be right around .500 again next year at a cheap price while they keep looking at the draft for a long term option.
If what they want to take a chance on a guy with high upside who might be the future then my two preferences would be:
1. Draft Deshaun Watson if he is still on the board.
2. Give Cardale a shot and see what he has (whilst spending as much time and resource as possible identifying a Quarterback in the 2018 draft). If he flames out you might end up with a very early pick in 2018.
I don't really see someone else's backup out there that I like enough as a potential franchise level starter to take a shot on giving up resource in a trade. Garoppolo would only interest me if you are making a coaching change and bringing McDaniels in as Head Coach (then I see a system knowledge benefit).
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Everyone saying EJ never had a running game.... his rookie year we were second in rushing.
I apologise Metz - it seems some people still are clinging to EJ. That is crazy to me.
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Simple as this for me - if we lose to Pitt the season is over. The Bills should by now have seen all that they need to see to do their evaluation of Tyrod. If they lost this game then management has to order Rex Ryan to put Cardale out there for the final 3 games.
Cleveland at home
Miami at home
Jets (with Petty at QB) on the road.
You are not throwing the kid into the fire against 3 of the best teams in the league.... you are putting him in against 2 of the worst 4 teams and an average Miami with home advantage.
If Rex refuses to do it I shake his hand wish him the best and then fire him.
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The Bills don't run screens. At least not since Gailey left.
Truth.
It felt at times in the Gailey era we ran nothing but screens and since then Hackett ran the odd one when EJ was in (ususally badly thrown) but other than that nothing.
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Fitzpatrick, Tannehill, Browns QB (Kessler?), Mariota, Bortles, Osweiler, Broncos QB (Lynch), Bradford, Cutler, Goff, 49ers QB (Kaepernick) are not as good as Taylor. I'd take him over Carson Palmer and Wentz also. He deserves to be paid top 20 but no better...
Have you watched Mariota play this year? That one is just absurd.
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You're the only one bringing up EJ, dude. Time to move on...
This is true. Metz made the EJ thing very personal, particularly with a poster who is no longer here. The EJ race is run it is over. EJ has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's assessment of Tyrod at this stage.
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Look no further than Jack Del Rio, he got run out of Jacksonville because his teams sucked with Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, and Blaine Gabbert (he got fired I think Gabbert's rookie year). He had two winning records in 9 seasons.
Not exactly true. In his 8 full seasons he had 3 winning seasons (2 play-offs 1 non-play-offs), 2 seasons at .500 and 3 losing seasons and was 65-63. When 11 games into his 9th season he was 3-8 and heading for a 4th losing season in 9 he was ditched. I think Del Rio did a pretty solid job for a while in Jacksonville without outstanding QB play and I think the team gave him the right amount of time and benefit of the doubt. Did not having a true franchise Quarterback ultimately lead to his demise? Sure.... but only after 3 winning seasons and two double digit win seasons. Both of his play-off losses came to New England.
Rex Ryan needs 3 of the next 4 to avoid going SEVEN seasons without rising above .500. At some point you are what your record says you are.
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I think we're seeing the major downside of having a mobile QB as it relates to the OL. The 5 guys up front have a play call and an assignment. With a QB like Tyrod, he breaks structure so much that it's difficult to block for him. Defenders have eyes on him and can react, the blocking can't.
I think the hold on Richie is a prime example. Not one ref calls the hands outside the chest if that stays as a 3/5 step drop and the ball comes out. Taylor scrambles, Richie's locked up and unaware, Autry (I think) moves and forces the flag.
Agreed.
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Mid-level starter money for a starter of unknown quality (rookie QB) and one of the best backups in the league.
And you think that is a good use of resource?
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so then, 14/20 , zero interceptions when NOT under pressure (like Carr enjoyed all day).
FIX the O-line.
He's be under pressure less if he could get the ball out. On the INT there was a quick hitter over the middle to Sammy that he ignored as he held the ball for 5 seconds. Not all pressures are equal. If a QB who could read the defense and deliver on time played behind our line they would hardly be pressured at all.
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That would put the total cap hit for 2 QBs, a starter and a backup that you know you can handle it, at mid-level starting QB money for the NFL until he's cut, and then you free up pretty significant space.
Exactly. Mid-level starter money for bottom third of the league play. I'll pass.
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Yeah, just like it was too early to call him a success after the first 3 games. Wentz has a couple pretty glaring issues that have been exposed - he's horrible under pressure and his delivery is long, slow and awkward. It's common for QBs attempting to correct their throwing motion to revert to their old habits when in game situations, especially when they are under pressure. If Wentz can correct his mechanics and keep them corrected, then he will probably be a good NFL QB. If not, he'll just be another highly drafted bust.
Agree.
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I'm just sick of carefree attitude Rex has in the press conference how come no one asks the tough questions and when they kind a do he blows them off here is the bills favorite response "we have to get better" no @$#t!dumbass
We are now in "let's see how this plays out" territory with Tyrod which is what he was saying last year about the defense. I am all for letting things play out.... so long as when the answer stares you in the face you face up to the inconvenient truth.
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Tyrod's option just doesn't cost that much $$$ for a QB in today's NFL and rookie salaries are nothing.
Wrong. His option doesn't cost that much for a FRANCHISE Quarterback. Tyrod isn't a Franchise Quarterback - he is a caretaker. The only non-Franchise QBs that would be paid more than him next year are:
Kaepernick (and that isn't happening that deal has opt outs that will be taken)
Osweiler (ask the Texans how that is working out for them)
Bradford (the Vikings didn't sign that deal and they only trade for him because their starter did his ACL the week before the seasons started)
Cutler (that also won't happen - the Bears have a relatively easy out this offseason)
So let's look at what the actual caretaker QBs around the league (who signed to be starters not including people who signed to be backups) are due in 2017:
Fitzpatrick - $5m
RGIII - $9.25
McCown - $5m
They are the people we should be comparing Tyrod's deal to. Not guys who teams view as long term starters. If the Bills view Tyrod as their long term starter after this season then I give up.
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Who is going to play QB next year?
Someone we are not paying $16m for bottom end production, and someone we are not tied to courtesy of a large dead cap hit if we choose to move on after next season.
If that means we finish 6-10 rather than 8-8 so be it.
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The Bills need to renegotiate this option bonus
$15.5M Option Bonus & $12M base salary fully guarantee on the 3rd league day of 2017 ($3.25M of 2018 salary guarantees for injury)Hmm that is interesting. That has been updated in the last few days. So the whole of 2018 is not guaranteed on the 3rd day of the league year in 2017.... only $3.25m does and only in the event of injury.
That means the dead cap hit of cutting him after 2017 is down from $25.5m to between $12.4m and $15.6m. Still too much for me to want to take it up as currently structured. They still need to renegotiate but it doesn't quite handcuff us as much as I initially thought.
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I'm not sure what it accomplishes at this stage. I will say this - I do believe Rex Ryan has done a better job coaching this team this year than last year. I liked the decisiveness over the OC, I like that he has taken a step back and tried to be more of a Head Coach rather than a jumped up DC, I think we have had a lot of adversity and BEFORE yesterday, despite all the adversity we have had this year, he had kept the team playing hard in every game with no quit. Yesterday, however, I saw quit on both sides of the ball in the 4th Quarter. I saw a defense that had lost faith in what they were being asked to do and an offense that put bluntly had lost faith in its Quarterback.
The facts now are this:
- the defense he promised would lead the league remains inconsistent and whilst better than last year is hovering around top 10/12 in the league and is playing small in some big moments;
- his handpicked Quarterback has flamed out;
- he isn't likely to re-think the structure of the team in the offseason. He is stubborn - he is going to run his scheme and he is going to appoint OCs who are run first. There will be no improvement here from a schematic re-think. What we have is what Rex Ryan runs and that isn't changing;
- he needs to win 3 of the next 4 to avoid a SEVENTH consecutive year of .500 or less as a Head Coach.
I am not ready to call for Rex's head this year quite yet.... I want to see how the team responds next week and how the last 4 play out - but if either Rex Ryan or Doug Whaley want to team to take up Tyrod Taylor's option then the should not be in their jobs next year. Another year of Rex Ryan hurts us for 1 year. Another year of Tyrod on this deal hurts us for 3.
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I don't have the time or the inclination to read this whole thread but I can tell you this. There is no "Church of Tyrod." There are 95% of the people on here who know exactly what Tyrod is and would agree with all of the following:
-he had an excellent first year as a starter
-he has regressed this year
-he holds onto the ball way too long
-he has the most depleted WR corps I've ever seen
-he is a below average starting QB at this point
-he is more effective as an overall QB than he is simply from a passing standpoint
-he is still a top 32 QB in this league
-whether or not to pick up his option is now very much in question
Then there are 5% of the people on here who think Taylor completely sucks, is worse than EJ Manuel, etc.
I come on here often and literally don't know one poster who has any illusions about Taylor being better than he is. But according to those 5%, if you think Taylor doesn't completely suck/isn't the worst QB in the entire league/isn't worse than EJ Manuel, then evidently, you are in the "Church of Tyrod" or a "fanboy."
It's really dumb.
No Metz... the people who I had genuinely begun to think were cultish in their support for Tyrod were the people who even as recently as Friday refused to accept, or even discuss without attempts to insult and ridicule, the final point on your bulleted list.
There were people last week saying there was "no alternative" to the option or that we should take it up "whatever happens". To have watched the games and have that opinion even before yesterday was the equivalent to sticking one's head in the sand.
This has sod all to do with EJ Manuel - being better than him does not make Tyrod a franchise Quarterback. It makes him the best we have.... but I don't want to tie myself to two years of $16m for that. And if Doug Whaley is not saying to the Pegulas and Rex "we cannot take up this option in any circumstances" then my support for the GM will end and he should go.
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Rookie QB bust, give me a break. It is better to struggle now and work on ones game than to think you have it all figured and collapse later (RG3)
Wentz will be fine and will be a great QB.
He has struggled in recent weeks. Too early to call him a bust.
The "Goff and Wentz are as good as Mariota and Winston" takes that Mayock and a few others had last spring never made sense to me though. I had mid first round grades on both. Mariots and Winston I had top 3 grades on (with Leaonard Williams) in 2015.
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Fine with that too if someone is available at the right price.No Hoyer or Fitz types. Get a guy with the actual potential to be the long-term answer via trade (Jimmy G) or the draft.
Our 2017 FA's
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I have checked. Groy, Gillislee and Schmidt are all RFAs. Expect all 3 to be tendered.