GunnerBill

I trust my source 100%. The issues with Diggs way pre-date Brady. If he played a part it is a small part. As for the rest you are arguing things I have never said or believed.

I have more confidence in Brady than the talent. That said I sort of agree with you in that I think the varience is higher with Brady than with the talent. They are, other than Coleman and to an extent Shakir, total known quantities. But I think if the Bills O is really good it will more than likely because Brady has been really good.

Yes. And it is fair to say Matt Canada was a bust. I like the Arthur Smith hire though.

Okay he played in the slot more last year than I realised. His 1,000 yard season he played 70% outside. On the ESPN analytics don't they counter your point that Samuel is a good separator? He is valued at 36/99 and 136th best in the NFL at being open. I admit I don't fully follow what the metrics are alleging to show.

My offseason realistic WR target list was also: 1. Mooney 2. Samuel I think they are closer as players than you do. It is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other talent wise IMO. But Mooney is a proper outside receiver and Samuel is a move receiver. Outside was our need and is generally the more valuable spot which might also be reflected in the contracts they each got.

Well I was on here last offseason saying things were not hunky dory and relationships were strained and between Josh and Stef at that point non-existent. I don't really care what the narrative was or wasn't. I am telling you what I was told as a fact by someone in a position to know. And I was not the only one. Other reputable long term posters on this site had versions of the same story about the relationship. I don't know for certain that the new offense wasn't a part, that is true. But I do know for certain that the issues between Diggs and individuals in the organisation date back to the middle of 2022. That isn't opinion. That is fact. It just appears to me based on what I know to be true that the issues that led to his departure are related to that and not Joe Brady or his offense.

I am not insisting anything will work out. The lack of talent at WR is still what it is. But I can tell you for a fact Diggs issues long predate Brady becoming OC and I don't believe his departure and this "new" offensive approach are in any way linked.

The reason he was traded was he wanted out, didn't want to be here and his relationship with Josh had been bad to non-existent at times from the middle of 2022. Having a checked out player and that constant tension between your QB and top WR isn't healthy.

He was. Then he took it as coaching to Barcelona and influenced a young catalan midfielder called Pep Guardiola. But it all started with Michels.

Slight correction, Cruyff played in the Dutch teams of the 70s. The great sides of the 70s and 80s were coached by Rinus Michels who was the godfather of modern football. I often think of him as a bit like Don Coryell in the NFL. His influence is still all over the place but he rarely gets talked about as an all time great in the way he should.

The difference between the two is Daboll did things to give his guys an advantage. Dorsey's ethos was just "run the play and execute better than the defense."

Tomlin does not have personnel control in Pittsburgh. It isn't on him.

I hope so.

And we have nobody who has even proven to be that. Curtis Samuel has one year of that type of production in his seven year career (reason to be optimistic it was with this OC). Shakir might still be ascending but hasn't proven to be that yet and MVS is clearly proven to be a #3. If we get low end #2 type production - say 700-750 yards and 4 or 5 TDs - that would be a reasonable outcome given prior production.

Not by me they weren't.

Safety is, and remains, my biggest question mark with this team. If Bishop isn't up to speed early they don't have an NFL calibre starter at the position..

Yea there are reasons to have optimism. In terms of his track recored, as you say, he got career years out of Chose and Samuel and while when we look now at 2020 LSU and go "wow all that talent" the year before he arrived Joe Burrow threw for 16 touchdowns and Justin Jefferson was a middling outside receiver who under Brady dominated college football as a big slot. Now it is possible he just got lucky and benefitted from breakouts at the right time. But it is possible he played a part too. In terms of what he did last year he made the offense look like a modern NFL offense again with motion, route combinations designed to create leverage and mixing up their use of pistol, shotgun and under centre better. Which compared to the mid 00s redux offense Ken Dorsey was selling was encouraging. Now there are reasons to doubt him as well, and those are also legitimate, but I think there are grounds for optimism in terms of what we have at OC. I certainly think Joe Brady's potential ceiling is high. Much more so than I think the ceiling of the WR room is high.

No. I don't and I didn't.

He was responsible for basically everything except the blocking assignments at LSU. The point about his talent is well made and it may well prove that was his high point and it was entirely a product of the talent. That is of course possible. I am not telling you Joe Brady is great but I think there are grounds for optimism with him.

He was bad in Carolina. There is no question about that. There were some mitigating factors.... the abomination of an offensive line he was handed was one, a poor head coach was another. But for an offense with DJ Moore, Robby Anderson, Curtis Samuel and Christian McCaffrey to struggle as much as it did is a poor reflection on him. But he was also the coordinator of the best offense in college football history. And he definitely made some good adjustments when he took over last year. The Bills offense was much cleverer and less predictable under him than under Dorsey. I think it is optimistic to believe he is a genius, but you only have to go back a few years and he was being talked about in those terms. He was the must have hotshot. I'm more optimistic about Brady than I am about the wide receiver room. I think there is more chance that he is really good than there is that we have a stud in that room.

Not true. Andy Reid was never an offensive coordinator. He was an offensive line coach, turned Quarterbacks coach. He got his Head Coach shot without ever having coordinated or called an offense.

4 proven NFL calibre players.... possibly (depends how you treat Hollins but I certainly agree with 3). Zero who are proven even as true #2 receivers. We have three proven #3s.

I can live with a year of them being outside top 10 for a year while they are in a mini reset mode. But the last offseason where anyone would legitimately have made a realistic argument the Bills have "upgraded" the WR room is 2021 when they "upgraded" Brown with Sanders. I think that was at best a marginal gain but you could make the argument. That means we have now gone through three offseasons without any serious attempt to upgrade the wide receiver room. That shouldn't happen when you have Josh, because if you are standing still you are getting worse.

I agree KOC wants to a QB who paints by numbers. That is what that Shanahan style scheme requires. It does not want Quarterbacks freelancing at all. I'd be surprised if he actually wanted to move off Kirk though. I think his ideal plan was to keep Kirk and bring in another QB to sit and learn. I think that was part of Kirk going to Atlanta he thought that would be 2-3 years as the undisputed starter..... only for the Falcons to then draft a QB as well.

If it includes tight ends I think there is an argument the Bills should be bumped up a place or two - especially above the Giants. Nabers is a great prospect but only a prospect until he plays a game and I'd take the Bills at every other spot and I'd take BOTH Kincaid and Knox over Bellinger. Similarly while I think Denver probably are just a slight tick ahead of us at WR both Bills Tight Ends would start there too so once you include that position the Bills are better IMO. The other team who are way too high that I think are overrated are the Commanders. Scary Terry is excellent, but Dotson was overrated coming out and folks are struggling to let go of the draft hype on him and Zach Ertz is their tight end but he is a replacement level player at this stage. I'd take McLaurin but again I might take the Bills at every other spot in that H2H of pass catchers.