GunnerBill

I'm not, I just think the Patriots priority HAS to be Maye. Losing some of your vets because you are playing Brissett doesn't matter. Most of those guys have no role to play in your hopeful climb back to relevance. They have to get Maye in at the right point when he has a chance to get is feet wet, there is no pressure because the season is sunk, and even if it goes badly or is uneven you can't get too beaten up physically or down mentally that you go into 2025 already expecting failure. I don't think they are at that point yet. I'd be waiting another 4 or 5 games personally UNLESS the oline magically improves before then.

Completely. That was what triggered this thread. It should be easier to pass on 1st down. It should especially be that way when you are primarily a run on first down team. And yet through the last two games the Bills are (cumulative) on 1st down passes 6-18 for 15 yards. That is unspeakably bad.

I don't think as bad as that Bills line was it was getting trashed the way the Pats line is so far this year. They did at least have a building block of sorts in Dion although I know he struggled a bit in his second year. Also just because Josh overcame it doesn't mean everyone will.

And it was an old roster even among what was left. That was more my point rather than them being bad per se... it was still McCourty, Gilmore, Edelman, Brady, Chung, White, Collins etc...

Yea the second half of the Brady era they pretty much managed without a reset and that was a phenomenal achievement - partly drive by the fact that guys would take less money to go there for a year or two and chase a ring. But it also led to the last couple of years of Brady that roster being held together with a roll of sticky tape and not much else.

Yea Jacksonville's issue was playing us in a ton of man so that Josh knew what he was getting every snap. They mixed their single high with their two deep pretty well. It was not being willing (or able?) to show us any kind of disguised zone coverages that got them shredded.

Their defense sucks and their oline sucks. They have serious issues aside from QB IMO.

At some point he has to play. I get that. They were hoping that the Oline would bed in a bit the first few weeks and improve. It hasn't. Personally I'd have waited a while longer. My thinking would have been as soon as we say any improvement from the line OR the last 6 games regardless. I think this is a horrible situation to throw him into.

He came from Deonte Harty getting hurt, hard as that is to believe. Harty (then known as Harris) was their run vertical speed guy in 2021. Had 570 yards and 3 touchdowns. Shaheed came in as a rookie in 2022 and was cut at the end of camp and put on the practice squad. Week five Harty hurt his foot, went on IR and the Saints signed Shaheed to the active roster to replace him. The next week Shaheed was active and used in the vertical speed guy role. Had similar numbers in that role in 2022 to Harty the previous year and then has earned a bigger role in the offense ever since. When you are a UDFA you sometimes need luck (or someone else's misfortune) to get your opportunity. And generally you only get one. Shaheed got his at Harty's expense and made it pay. Well done to him.

He couldn't get on the field on a terrible defense. I think he is cooked. No idea what happened. He was excellent his first couple of years.

I felt like if the Bills won either of the last two the playoffs were pretty much a certainty. I think they need at least 4 of the next 5 now to stay in the hunt. 8-2 they'd be in a good spot. 7-3 they'd be okay. Worse than that they are in trouble... although if the Jets implode 9 wins might win the East. Zero chance the Pats or Miami get more than that IMO.

About the same. He has always done it.

Sure. But the point was if you have a 10-15-20 year QB it is inevitable that you have to have these resets, reloads, mini rebuilds. It is just a fact.

Yea that is fair.

And when I repeated it post draft I got as much heat for not like that as for not liking the Josh pick a year later. Seriously it was ridiculous the following Peterman had on here before he played a down. I was, thankfully, very wrong on Josh. But my take on Peterman was exactly as it played out. College QBs with rag arms get tagged as "smart and accurate" almost by default. He was neither smart, nor accurate. And his arm is barely pop warner standard.

Yea that is feasible. It isn't my reading of it. Looks like a slot post to me. I think the ball sails outside on him. The endzone view that is what it looks like too. Looks like it gets away. But you could be right. Regardless of whether it is a bit Josh and more Hollins or more Josh and a bit Hollins the play was there and they missed it.

It is definitely something that I spotted. Particularly where I mention on that failed play action early. It doesn't freeze Hunter because it doesn't ever look like a handoff. I wonder if the left hand injury is playing a part in that?

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It wasn't that it was an overthrow so much as he ended up with it outside and while I still agree with you Hollins can do a better job adjusting I had put pretty much all the blame on him before I saw the endzone view and the throw was just in the wrong place. It was a slot post route all day and Allen let it get away to the outside. You can't miss outside there.

How does it? They pass with him on the field, they run with him on the field. It isn't even the case that every pass when he is out there is off play action.

What I meant there is there is no "tell" about what play is coming based on formation, personnel grouping, shotgun vs under center. You might pick up on some gameflow stuff, sure. But he isn't showing you when they come to line "okay this is a passing first down" vs a rushing first down.

They definitely had reload or mini-rebuild years between eras. They went three years without winning playoff game between the two Giants Superbowls (2008 Brady's injury was a factor but 2009 and 2010 were a reload / mini-rebuild). Other than Brady only three players started both Giants Superbowl losses - Wilfork, Welker and Light. They turned over that roster a ton in that period and had 11-5 (Brady affected) and 10-6 seasons.

True to an extent, sure. But while I've never been the biggest JuJu guy he is not Mack Hollins level of inept.

Nah. Our receivers ARE trash.

Your eyes must work very differently to mine. I thought Coleman came close twice but clearly stayed in bounds. And even so that wouldn't be an example of what I was asking. Even if that was a wrong call (it wasn't) it was a wrong call that they upheld on replay. I was asking for an example of a clearly correct call that was then overturned to a clearly wrong call by replay.