GunnerBill

I think when Brandon Beane says he will "never apologise" for prioritising the defensive front seven that is because he means it. It is how he was taught in Carolina. It is how he has drafted. It is how he would draft regardless of who the coach was if he, as he is here, is in charge of personnel decisions.

Leslie wasn't shown the door. He decided to step away. I know for a fact that is true. I don't know what happened with Butler.

Yea I know all that. But McDermott and Butler were pretty tight. I know he put out some pretty bitter tweets after his departure so maybe that relationship has soured. But they have been VERY quick to mention that coaching change at every opportunity in a way that they haven't with other changes. For example on the Dline, while they have puffed up Marcus West they have always been very keen to be respectful of the job Eric Washington had done previously.

I wasn't talking about you. You think both are inadequate. You were not the subject of the post.

That is more than I will get from Sal in the morning. He had an accident in his pants over Josh's black helmet live on radio on Friday.

Yea. I don't think it is any reason to panic. He can still be an NFL starter. But beating out the likes of Edwards and McGovern as a rookie is a big ask.

It is that he isn't ready to be a year 1 starter. That is why he was a 5th round pick.

Which is really interesting because he and McDermott are (or at least were) tight.

Bernard was replacing Edmunds though. They didn't get close to replacing Milano's production. Ty Dodson did a fine job. But he wasn't close to a healthy Milano. I agree with this. There isna section of this board has been guily of over valuing our talent and under valuing the job our coaching staff has done. And since 13 seconds - which was a coaching failure - a group has totally attached themselves to that narrative and it is hard for them to come off it.

Yea keeping 5 is a real possibility IMO. I think they have more promising young fliers in other spots. Using 6 om receivers jusy to have 6 wouldn't be smart for me. Worrying reports from Friday. Guessing you were at the stadium? Hamler has been almost exclusively with the 2s and 3s I believe. Honestly don't think he has any shot unless he emerges as their returner. I agree on the assumption about six. I don't think that has to hold at all. I'd rather been Kinglsey Jonathan and Javon Solomon than any of the options for receiver 5 and 6.

Yea this is what I disagree with. I don't think either Hamler or Isabella have a serious chance at the 53. First because they have been quiet as hell in camp. Second because they were both PS players the entirity of last season. One here, one with the Colts. What would suddenly make either a hot commodity for a 53? Both are easy enough to slide onto your PS. MVS at this stage would still be a risk (though not a certainty) to end up on someone else's 53. I do think MVS is on the bubble. But to me he is on the bubble to them not keeping a 6th receiver or possibly to Claypool getting healthy and balling out in PS both at WR and on teams. I don't see either Hamler or Isabella as any kind of threat. And therefore I think most likely is they keep 6 and MVS and Shavers both make it.

Expendable for who though? That is kind of where I am. If this was a straight Shavers v MVS then I'd be absolutely it is Shavers because of teams. I don't think it is though. It is more like Shavers and MVS vs only keeping 5 receivers. Claypool was inconsistent the few days he was out there then got hurt. Shorter has been invisible. Hamler and Isabella likewise. Maybe they do keep only 5 but if they do that it will because they are confident sneaking other guys through to the PS.

Does sounds like MVS has rebounded a bit week two of camp and has been back with the ones more after finding himself marooned with the twos at the end of week one. So that does bear watching. I do generally agree with your point though. WRs 5 and 6 have to contribute on teams. MVS doesn't. Now my guess is Hollins will play a fair amount of teams even as essentially WR4. Whether that changes the calculation I'm not sure. My instinct at the moment is both MVS and Shavers make it as WRs 5 and 6 behind the top 4. Reason being I don't see anyone else they won't be able to PS if they want to. But pre-season games might alter that.

Okay, got you. It did change the formations because of the overload point though so I think it DID mean you had to "elect" for an onside kick. So while this may be a further tightening I think the surprise onside possibility went with the last set of changes.

Hasn't that been the case for a couple of years now since the last lot of changes?

You saw on earlier episodes their strategy was if Nabers or MHJ make it to #6 they are the pick. If they were both gone they were willing to pick Odunze but preferred to trade out.

Yes I think that is the basis of the speculation but Im not sure everyone else in that list did too.

He was worth a 6th round flier though based on his tools. Not like someone spent a 1st round pick on him.

Josh wasn't ready so they didn't want to put him out there, but he was still noticeably the best of the 3.

I can't. Goff never got enough credit for his part in the early success the Rams had with McVay. All that "McVay reads the defense for him" stuff was the biggest load of garbage I have ever heard. McVay is a top OC, no question, and that helps a QB but the level of disrespect and ridicule Goff got was crazy and I'm glad he has proved in Detroit that he is a good Quarterback. I think the thing that maybe he doesn't have that leads to him being underrated is he seems to lack the general Quarterback arrogance. And maybe that does hold him back some. He just seems a bit low key. It worked out for the Rams moving on... they won their Superbowl (though had Goff played the Bengals and not Belichick in the first McVay Superbowl my guess is they win that one too). But the Lions did great in that deal too.

He has fumbled at least twice that I have seen reported. Brady was asked yesterday "apart from the fumbles..." and he started his answer with "yea but the fumbles are big he has to look after the ball." Fair to say I think they are drumming that home already.

Aaron Williams.

It is. And I am not saying Milton will start. But I just don't think the Peterman - Allen analogy works here. The Bills were adament Josh wasn't in a competition.... but to the extent he was he won it hands down

We don't know that is what it means. The coding is speculation. I am persuaded on red and blue. Not persuaded on his guesses for pink, purple and grey.

Charles Woodson. Devin McCourty. Malcolm Jenkins. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson. Aaron Williams. New Bill Kareem Jackson. Actually in just 20 seconds thinking about it there are six who went from corner to be good safeties (with a couple of elite guys in there). I am not arguing for it with Rasul to be clear. But I don't think Fangio is right when he says the number is very small.