GunnerBill

We never "made an offer" but we did have pretty advanced discussions with Pittsburgh around what it would take.

I don't think he is holding him at that point. He is just right on top of him which he is entitled to be. The tug of the jersey is one you might get some of the time. After that it is just good physical coverage in the endzone. Trubisky is better than Kyle Allen. Kyle Allen truly sucks.

Watching that I see the tug it certainly could have been called. I think that little tug that early in the route in the endzone on a ball that may not be catchable is a 50/50 call though. You will get that some games. You won't others.

I don't think it was PI. I think the defender was just in his hip pocket which he is entitled to be. I thought he did really well to break up the near pick and his snap off on the stop route was nasty. It was an encouraging debut overall but didn't tell us a ton.

These 3rd and 4th stringers are supposed to be where the PS is built from. We better be busy sifting through other teams' cuts. Because there isn't much here to excite you.

The Bills have been awful. In all facets. I think their generally good pre season have been because traditionally the Bills have been a deep team. There have been years we have had 3 or 4 cut guys claimed and traded a depth player or two as well in camp. Where they are on the cap this year is showing on the field. They are thin at a LOT of spots.

Solomon been impressive so far.

Lovely snap off by Keon.

Oline has not looked good so far.

Nice play call.

Dorian Williams in no man's land there. He is physically talented but he doesn't kniw what he is doing.

Let's ***** hope so.

Oh *****. Ed down first play. Other than Josh that is the guy we can least afford to lose.

Let's goooooo Buffffaaaaalllloooooo

I mean he isn't the only one pessimistic. It is the worst roster we have had since 2018 IMO.

Those two don't belong in the same paragraph let along breath. Aiyuk is a snap your hand off bona fide stud. JuJu is overrated mid and always has been.

But you can't have basically 4 rookies as your backups. I am with you that Collins is washed. But they might well keep him then cut him and sign a different vet.

Meh. He is average. And he is another possession receiver. Overrated.

The linebacker is my clubhouse leader for a rookie IR stash.

They won't, and shouldn't, go with 4 backup OL with zero NFL starts under their belts though. So it kinda comes down to Collins or Clapp and they are well stocked with centers. My hope is that there is a vet lineman on the eventual 53 who is currently on another roster. But that remains to be seen and wouldn't happen until after the original cut downs.

It is the same as mine earlier this week except he is waiving Mike Edwards injured and keeping Tylan Gable as a 10th OL. 52 of 53 he and I are in lock step on.

The Saffold decision was at the request of their (at the time) new OL coach who personally vouched for him. I think there is some truth to what you say about the philosophy being confused but I don't think it is confused as a result of being inherently risk averse. That is the bit I can't get myself to when I look at what the history of the eight years tells us.

I am more sold on the long term viability of Hurts than I am the long term viability of Sirianni.

Yea I don't think the proper analysis of what they have done supports that though. We know there were times with Daboll where there was friction because McDermott felt they couldn't/wouldn't run the ball even when they needed to but overall he has overseen offenses that have passed it and passed it deep under Daboll and then even more so under Dorsey and even under Brady tbh the issue at the backend of last season was the inability to complete the shot play more than a reluctance to call it.

Can I just add to this that neither you or I in the various arguments we have made in this thread have sought to argue that Ken Dorsey was, throughout his time here, a bad offensive coordinator. So the numbers that look at his season and a half as a whole are not the argument. The argument is purely about that "skid" as you refer to it and the fact he really did not seem to have any answers. Was that lack of willingness to adjust or could he just not see alternative solutions? The alternative argument, which is legitimate is "well his work in 2022 and some of the early games of 2023 he deserved more time to find a fix." I think you can legitimately take that view and then we just get to a pure difference of opinion on how likely he was to be able to turn it around. And I go back to where I started. He reminds me a lot of the persona I observed of coaches I have come across in my life as a player and coach and guys I've observed as a fan - across multiple sports. The best coaches are the best coaches because they are able to cope with and coach through adversity. Dorsey felt more like a when it's good keep it rolling guy and when the adversity hit he didn't seem to have a response. Stefanski is calling the plays.