GunnerBill

And over the last month the worst in the NFL when not under pressure.

Well we don't have a DC. We have an interim OC and everyone knows our ST coordinator is out of his depth. Not shocked there is no Bill on the list.

Sorry what is the story here?

Cam Lewis is their 4th safety.

As I said earlier in the thread, even if he is held to 0 yards on Sunday Kincaid's was the 14th best rookie TE season OF ALL TIME. The problem was some people thought they were getting year 9 Travis Kelce right off the bat and that was never happening. He never even crossed my radar. He got an invite to the Senior Bowl and I watched the game but I don't remember seeing him once. Fair play to the Rams though for drafting him in the 5th. I think he was probably more like a Priority Free Agent type for most teams.

Yea agreed. I do think the Bills have some leverage to re-negotiate though. They are on the hook for $10m of dead cap already paid that they have to account for somewhere, but there is no guaranteed new money on Tre's deal. So they can offer him some guarantees for him lowering his overall number. There is an incentive for both sides to do that deal. I think it is 60/40 that Tre is back, but it won't be on the current contract as it stands.

Ah the game where the Dolphins had literally one drive over 38 yards. Josh Allen contributed more to their points than Skyler Thompson did.

I disagree with this to an extent.... but it was very small sample size. He was very good week 3 at Washington and then I'd argue week 4 vs the Dolphins was one of Tre's best 3 games as a Buffalo Bill. He was absolutely lock down in that game. But I agree that last season and even the first couple of games of this we hadn't seen close to the pre-ACL White. But I honestly think that is why he was so upset when the achilles happened - he knew those last two games were finally the real Tre White it had taken him so long to feel like that and he got less than two full games to enjoy it before another bad injury.

My mate who is a huge Jags fan (one of the few London Jags that pre-dates them playing here) is terrified about this game. Says that if the Titans bring it the Jags will crumble as they have zero ability to beat physical football teams. I haven't watched much Jags football this year to know if he is right.

Agree with everything you have said. The way I'd sum it up in a sentence is: We have been used to 'Josh Allen Experience' games in the past but this has been a 'Josh Allen Experience' season.

Agree although a healthy, but slower Tre White would be a candidate for a move to safety IMO. Achilles injury is tough. Because more so than the ACL it really affects explosiveness which for a zone corner is a possible issue. If you are getting Tre back and he is healthy but he is a tick slower because he doesn't have the same explosion I am interested in whether they'd consider him at safety. But I will caveat all of that with the only way Tre is back is if he is willing to take a pay cut. If he still wants to play football his best chance of being a good player again is on this team where he knows the scheme inside out, knows the coaches and knows his teammates. The only new guaranteed money for Tre on his current deal are the $1.5m roster bonuses which guarantee early in the league year in 2024 and 2025. So the Bills have leverage to discuss a new contract with him. They have to account for $10.3m of money that he has already been paid, but if they gave him say $6m of new guarantees in exchange for cutting in half his base salaries the next two seasons (from $8m to $4m in 2024 and from $10m to $5m in 2025)... which would mean his cap hits come down to $12m and $11m rather than $16m and the Bills would still have a pretty easy out after 2024 (probably for circa $6m rather than the $4m it is now) then I could see a route where he comes back. We'd be essentially asking him to give up $9m in possible earnings for the guarantee of $6m in new money and a chance to re-stablish himself in a place he feels comfortable.

No. Safety is more of a reaction position. You can be more of a protaganist at corner and particularly in a man scheme get away with not being as smooth in those transitions because the job is run with your guy and once he gets in stride Elam is capable of playing sticky coverage. It is true though that zone coverage rather highlights his weakness even at corner. I never felt like he was a natural scheme fit for the Bills. Still an odd pick to me.

Yea the only year I felt the Bills were running on fumes was last year. I don't feel that this year at all. In fact the defense has been flying about the past few weeks like men possessed. The issue at the moment isn't fumes. It is execution on offense.

I think this version of Alabama did extremely well to make the final four. It was one of Saban's best coaching jobs IMO.

Yea the counter balance for the $41m over the cap is 44 players under contract which is among the highest in the NFL. The maths has been done before but there are ways to get under the cap without taking any of the really hard decisions. The question is how much are they willing to take those decisions to give them the flexibility to re-make parts of the roster (secondary particularly). No. The biggest flaw in his game is his transitions (i.e go from moving backwards to moving forwards or from moving laterally to moving vertically). If you can't transition smoothly as a safety you are toast.

Ertz was my comparison too. I think Ertz with a tad more potential for putting up numbers because he has Josh throwing him the ball. But somewhere in that 800 to 1,100 yards a season for 4 or 5 years in his prime is exactly what I would expect. He has slightly exceeded my rookie projection for yards, slightly underperformed my expectation for TDs. But overall he is pretty much right where he should be at this point.

On that page look at post 1 June release on the 2024 tab.

Baltimore was the other way round. They beat the 9ers up before the power went out. When it came back on the 9ers started to come back but that was heading for a blow out until Beyonce tripped the lights.

100% this. The best teams get in position more often than not but there is so much varience that the deciding factor between which of the 6-8 teams each year with enough talent often come down to more luck than we'd like to admit I think.

He has definitely been used more in the short game and less down the seam than I would have thought. But as I said in the thread that this might get merged into, maybe we should have expected it. The immediate post draft presser Brandon Beane talked about him as being part of the solution to the loss of Cole Beasley.

@Beck Water you have been around here long enough to know that facts and research are not appreciated!

Davis will get a bigger FA deal than Samuel. Without question. He isn't a bad suggestion as your "vet floor" for WR2 though. And then hopefully you find a draft pick who ultimately makes Samuel the first guy in off the bench who had inside / outside flex.

He is a totally different tier to Daniel Jones. And he did bring them back to win with 2 minutes to go against Dallas recently, so that's something. His elite trait is his accuracy. He does throw a very accurate football, but he doesn't have a great arm and if you confuse him and take his primary read away he is prone to panic. He needs the system he is in to shine. But you have to pay him if you are the Dolphins, even accepting the injury risk. And then you have to make some difficult decisions elsewhere. You can't pay two corners and pay Phillips when he comes due as well as Chubb and pay Waddle when he comes due as well as Hill. They already have a tough decision looming on Wilkins this offseason. Franchise tag could be an option there.

I don't see that he has any trade value whatsoever. Maybe a total rebuild team would take him if we give them some picks too ha. Like the famous Brock Osweiller trade to Cleveland. But they were in full tank. I don't see a team out there in that space.

No I believe he has had some bad moments this year. He has made some mistakes. The Broncos game and the New England game I was very ciritcal of. I was critical of the Tampa game too even though we won. Don't think the Bills were particularly well coached in any of those games. But they are not screw ups like 13 seconds was a screw up. The kneel down at the end vs Philly? Sure I'd maybe have liked them to try a play and see if they could get close but the fact is his kicker had missed twice from well inside 50. His confidence in how close he needed to get was probably not super high. If you want an NFL Head coach who hasn't made a single mistake this year then I am here to tell you that you won't find one.