GunnerBill

Josh ties Thurman. Congrats JPA.

More flags. This game could take 5 hours.

If Josh gets that up a yard it's a TD

Mack catches a pass? Yea. It's a first down

Davis missed the gap on that run

Mack for yet another first down. It's all the boy catches.

That is a BAD call

Flag fest already. Just like the first game

Stupid foul

Let's gooo Buffffaaaalooooo!!

I don't even understand what the top para means. So yea, I'll wait 😄

Spotrac has him at $14.7m AAV. I don't always take that as gospel but he'd have to come in below that for me. I do think the upper end of that range I gave would be a smaller guarantee for clarity. If it closer to $13m per it would have to be on the basis that I have a takeable out after one year so he is basically in earn it mode.

CeeDee doesn't anymore. He did early in his career, but not now. Hill has been a consistent 65% plus wide as a Dolphin though he was closer to 50:50 his best years in KC. Godwin isn't elite. Puka and Kupp, sure. Puka is still year 2, let's see. Kupp and St Brown they are the exception that prove the rule. True elite ones will get paid. No question. But there are like max 3 of them at any one time. Compare that to how many outside receivers get paid and then compare the AAVs.

Have only just started to be honest. Literally this morning did a couple of hours on corners. So bit early to start committing on receivers. My view from watching college ball is I agree not as strong a class as last year. Maybe a couple of high end guys compared to 2023 (the Addison, Johnston, JSN year) but then possibly not the depth in those first couple of rounds.

If Ladd ends up moving outside the way CeeDee did and dominates the way CeeDee has then there is no doubt. At the moment he hasn't done that. He cna play outside in some packages, he can run crossers and in breakers and possibly some curl routes out there, fine. He gives you a bit more out there than say Khalil Shakir does - agreed. That doesn't make you a boundary receiver. He is a slot receiver who in certain 12, 13 or 22 personnel packages (and Roman runs plenty of those) can go and line up there. But if you tried to say "right okay we are gonna start Ladd McConkey as a primary boundary receiver and play him 65% out there his production would fall. There is no doubt in my mind. Because when you are out there 30 or 40 snaps a game eventually you better be able to get off press and threaten to win outside or else you just become too easy to defend for corners.

I don't think he is better than Peppers in fairness. But yea I think was better than the other 4. Freeney is kind of my Jared Allen argument. Freeney played longer. Has fewer career sacks. Fewer double digit sack seasons. Never led the league in sacks. But he is in and Allen waits. Reason? Freeney played on a Colts team that was a contender and was on tv a ton, Jared Allen was dominant but on average Chiefs and Vikings teams so he waits. No doubt in my mind Allen was far the better player. And he didn't have the advantage of teeing off on QBs during blowouts that Freeney had either. Last year's was a poor class.

I don't believe it is. They rarely get picked in the first round. They rarely get the mega deals. St Brown has. Kupp did. That's fair. They are the exceptions not the rules. That's like saying Q Nelson got nearly as much as the top tackle on the market when he signed his deal with the Colts therefore GMs value guards nearly as much as tackles. I don't think the facts support your position at all.

Yep. Last year was his first year of eligibility and he was passed over. Don't think so. Might have made the cut to 25 a few times but never the final cut.

I mean maybe he wouldn't - maybe he wouldn't have played on after New England. But I don't see what winning those two Superbowls would have changed about the Patriots dynasty thereafter. So I'll accept it possibly could have been 8.

First Balloters: Terrell Suggs - he was basically elite for his first 12 or so years in the league and then continued to play at a decent level for 4 or 5 beyond that. Eli Manning - it's for the two Superbowl clutch moments more than the overall body of work but NFL history is so radically different without them. Brady would have 9 rings. The Pats would have an undefeated season. Guys that have waited: Torry Holt - 8 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons. Isaac Bruce is in and Holt was the more explosive of the pair. It's time. Antonio Gates - longevity, excellence and helped with Tony Gonzales, redefine the Tight End position. Jared Allen - one of the most underrated players of the 00s, 4 times 1st team all pro and one of only 12 men to lead the NFL in sacks twice, and one of only two to do it with two different teams. 7 consecutive years of double digit sacks, 8 in total. If I was a voter they are the five I'd bang the table for.

Trust me my view on McConkey has zero to do with his skin colour. He is a slot receiver because that is where his skillset fits in the NFL.

In fairness I only have experience of him on tv and he talks way too much. But that can be an issue that radio guys find moving to tv and he may be really good on radio.

I can't stand Harlan. I know a lot of folks love him but his announcing drives me mad.

McConkey is a decent route runner but he isn't Stef Diggs level elite as a route runner. Few people are. He also isn't the "the same size if not bigger" he is and inch shorter, 10 lbs lighter and has an inch shorter arms. All of which matters to get off press coverage outside. You can keep banging this drum but the NFL always tells you what the truth is. And it is telling us on McConkey. He is a really good slot receiver. He might even be an elite slot receiver. He could be in that St Brown, prime Cooper Kupp territory. But that is where he is going to be used in the NFL and that is where he will produce. As a 65-80% slot guy who you can use split out in some packages but can't expect to be a sustainable long term option there. I also agree he is better than Shakir btw. I haven't ever disputed that. But the difference between an elite slot and a good slot is just not as significant in the NFL as the difference between an elite outside guy and a good outside guy. It's a tier two position not a premium position. Same as nickel corner isn't as valuable as boundary corner. I am also not saying McConkey can't get deep. I explicitly said above he can. But he is gonna do it largely from the slot against off coverage with a free release. I'm sure he'd be doing that here for Josh as you say. But the upgrade from Shakir to McConkey in terms of impact on the offense isn't as significant as the impact of going from whatever we had outside... I dunno... MVS? Claypool? To Coleman (and I am not even Coleman's biggest fan... I had McConkey graded above him).

In fairness the 31 points to Skylar Thompson was mainly because the offense kept throwing up on itself. The Fins had two drives over 30 yards all day. They could not move the ball. Lucky for them our O and STs kept doing the hard work for them and giving it to them in our territory.