GunnerBill

Yep. They are not a good team. Harbaugh can ra ra all he likes. But this team is not talented and not well coached. And his 1970s dinosaur offense is taking them nowhere.

I don't think that is a disagreement. It is just a comment on the three games we have played so far. We played a Miami team that our defense totally dominated. And a Jags team that was frankly pathetic. Serviceable low end starter / high end backups like Tyrod and Fitz would have won those games. I don't think the Bills would be better than a 7 or 8 win team if they had those guys for a full year without a whole lotta luck. But I do think they would be 2-1 right now. Because McDermott and Babich took McDaniel's lunch money and the Jags had quit the moment they walked on the field.

Yea it is. Both offenses have issues at tackle and lack playmakers outside. It creates a game like this. Broncos - Jets take II.

He botched that entire sequence. Should have challenged and if he lost the challenge kicked.

The Chiefs offense is very very disjointed.

I know they definitely wanted Ben Johnson and he had indicated he was coming then backed out. Dan Quinn may have lucked into it but he put a decent staff together and is taking the opportunity. And good for him. The Dallas D is missing him for sure.

Think they are. Daniels looks excellent and there is some talent on that roster.

Yep. Harbaugh botched that.

Mahomes taking Rice out after that INT might be a defining moment in their season. Friendly fire.

The Chiefs are in trouble. They have nobody who can separate.

Hahahahaha. Jets.

They couldn't be any worse

The Eagles D can stop nobody.

Yea shouldn't be out there.

Turns out the Georgia D isn't an NFL D.

The Eagles defense is beyond terrible.

The Taysom Hill gimmick is so tired but it still works.

Diggs is him.

Anyone else find Vance Joseph being DC in Denver where he was formerly HC weird? I guess it has happened before but this quickly?

The Bills woulda still blown out the Dolphins with a Fitz / Tyrod level QB and they'd have beaten the Jags who were hopeless but not in a blow out. They'd have lost to the Cardinals.

I don't think @NoSaint is questioning that reality. He is just saying it is, as a system, strange. And if you were starting with a blank sheet of paper it is not the model you'd design.

Because in football there are high leverage moments time and again when everyone knows what you want to do. And in those moments scheme can only do so much. It comes down to mano vs mano and your guy has to beat theirs. And teams use the sideline as the extra defender and protect with inside leverage so that is where the opportunity is. You have to have the players to take it.

We all are. I obviously love winning blow outs. But I hope the first time we get the ball last needing a touchdown to win is not in the playoffs. Cos I wanna "find out" before that.

The argument I make is in the biggest moments when everyone knows you are passing you will need guys who can win outside. Avoiding being in those high leverage situations is a good strategy. But at some you are likely to get there.

Renfrow got 2 years $32m from the Raiders. $16m AAV. That was a couple of years ago but for a true slot (which Shakir is IMO and Renfrow was) I think that is the market plus inflation. I reckon that probably puts him in and around the $20m per range. I could see something like 4 years, $78m, $19.5 AAV as being his market if he has the sort of year he is on pace for this year (around 1,000 yards). Give it two years of that sort of production and another year of inflation and let him hit FA and he may go even slightly above that with another team. EDIT: to be clear I am not saying he is a MUST sign at that price. It is high for a slot receiver for me and if in the crunch they still struggle without an outside guy I'd be wary. But that is a realistic look at his market IMO.