GunnerBill

The return of the original Dolphin Slayer! Thad and Josh. The Dolphins would be lucky to only lose by 30.

It wasn't about scheme. It was about knowing where to line up in the formation. That is absolute basics. And has been a problem for Williams.

I don't agree that our oline got outplayed. Even second half. I think both offensive lines neutralised both defensive lines. I don't buy that the whole team underperformed on Sunday and yet was 1 or max 2 plays from beating the Chiefs. Unless of course you believe on paper we are just a lot better than them and I don't think that. I think they are two very evenly matched teams. The last 4 matchups have gone right to the wire. We are 2-2 in those games. Sadly they won the 2 most important ones. We had chances in both but couldn't make a play. They had chances in both the regular season games too and couldn't make the play they needed.

It's a supporting talent problem. No. I just don't think the better the devil you know argument is a credible argument for keeping him. That isn't my argument for keeping him.

But that team that they had on the field is old, expensive and based a lot on reputation and not recent performance. I think they are a bit where the Bills were a year ago..... they need some young guys to hit and become key players. But with a terrible roster, no guarantee of hitting the right QB, and in a difficult division with two of the most talented teams in football.

That's true but the salary cap situation in LA is going to make short term success tricky. And he is in a division with some fella name Mahomes.

Tee is a legit OC candidate. But I am not sold on him here given where we are. Too big of a gamble to roll with a guy who has never called plays.

Mario Williams was the last truly elite game changer we had up front. I think Ed was pretty close this past year. Yes Sunday was not a good game for him, but I have confidence he will build again next season.

If they stay the course he has a shot. But man that is a tough gig.

Agree - safety in FA and then some cheap vet depth at DT and WR. But their big swings on DL and WR should come in the first two rounds of the draft.

As you know I agree totally that the Bills need an outside receiver who can get vertical and gives them a more explosive element. That said their YAC numbers were much better this year. I think @Shaw66 said they were 6th in the league. That has been a problem other seasons, but actually by design when you are so small ball the YAC comes. I was very critical of Brady in Carolina. He was in over his head IMO and he did not do a great job. That said, here Dorsey was the predictable one and Brady DID incorporate a bunch of motions, stack formations, pre-snap movement and rub routes. He ran the same plays broadly but dressed them up with better eye candy and misdirection. So that element of the criticism from the Panthers has not, to this point, carried across to the Bills. He also use leverage really cleverly and used the middle of the field which were Dorsey weaknessed. Again, not me saying they "must" hire Joe Brady. I don't think that. But I do think he is a credible candidate for the job and will be an OC somewhere in the NFL next year. Let's see who else they bring in for interview.

I have not spoken to Terry but I have spoken to people who have worked inside the organisation and are adamant that Terry sees them as a pair and that is why he has always given them concurrent contracts. I don't think this is at all like the Gase - Joe Douglas situation. And as I say, even if Beane stays.... Terry has overruled his GM on HC searches twice in two tries so far with the Bills. Once wisely, once less so.

You watched the same game I did.

1 - personnel issue not a coaching issue. We cannot separate vertically at all. We are forced to play small ball. Dorsey got fired because he was still trying to run an explosive offense with players that couldn't do it. We have to get more explosive in the offseason. 2 - yep it has. Being down to our third string linebackers did not help. KC exploited that masterfully. 3 - I disagree.

1. He has had 6 years with Josh and only four with him as one of the best QBs in the NFL. In those four seasons he has lost three times in the playoffs to the one QB who is probably better than him and once to the QB who is arguably right behind Josh on his tail. 2. I have no sympathy with the "better the devil you know" argument. That is NOT a reason to keep Sean McDermott. That said, does the prospect of Terry Pegula hiring the next coach terrify me? Yes. Yes it does. 3. McDermott and Beane are joined at the hip. If one goes they both go. The Head Coach does not report to Beane. And even if they did, we know that in BOTH of Pegula's coaching searches so far in Buffalo he overruled his GM and hired the guy he liked best.

I mean people will laugh but losing Jones definitely showed up this year. The Bills missed him.

I'm not totally sold on Brady. But I think he is a credible candidate. And I disagree re. the playcalling on Sunday. I think he called a good game. The big issue that has thwarted both OCs this year is the Bills inability to separate vertically. It has forced us to be a small ball offense. We won't be explosive again without upgrading the explosiveness outside. It is a Brandon Beane issue as much as an offensive coordinator one.

The outside point is a fair one. But they didn't just hand Dorsey the job. They interviewed two other candidates. He was always the front runner - but then he was one of the hottest OC candidates on the market that year. He had OC interviews the year before too. But I do take the outside perspectives point. I am not saying I'd hand Brady the job. I'd bring some credible external candidates in. But it wouldn't shock me if Brady ended up with it. He will be an OC somewhere in the NFL next season. If it isn't here he will be somewhere else.

The problem with Thomas is it is highlights or nothing. He makes the big play or no play. I think they need someone a bit more multi-functional. I don't hate the idea. And if we drafted him, fine. But if they do they definitely need to double dip and get a route runner.

I'd be good with McDaniels as a candidate too. If you look at Mac with McDaniels vs Mac with B'OB (who is an experienced OC) I think you come away with the conclusion he can coordiante an offense.

I think it was a case of what we can do.

I'd lean the other way against a clever coach like Reid. He'd have had Williams spinning like a top.

The long term advantage I see in a guy like Kliff would be you are unlikely the face the "1 or 2 good years and he is a HC again" issue. I am fine with Brady getting the gig, I think he is one of the better candidates tbh. But if the Bills offense hums next year he is gone. He had a HC interview this year after a season and a half as a QB coach and 6 or 7 games as an OC. He had HC interviews before after a pretty ropey season as the Panthers OC. If the Bills are good he gets a Head Coach job. I think Kliff's road back to a Head Coaching job in the NFL is a very long one. Not respected as a leader, basically a play caller in way over his head running a team, his teams never finish (his record down the stretch of the season as a HC in college and the pros is abysmal). It would take more than 1 or 2 good years calling plays for Josh Allen to make him a serious HC candidate again. I think he is a guy you might get 3-5 years of at the spot (which is a lifetime of continuity in the modern NFL). In terms of scheme carry over there is some spread concept in what we do, was under Daboll, less under Dorsey, started to come back a bit under Joe. But you would need a pretty radical re-make of the WR room I think and you might need to think longer term about left tackle because Dion would be living on an island a LOT. I do see the logic in him as a candidate. But I'd be surprised if the Bills go that route knowing what we know about how they value character.

Williams is great at running and hitting. He just has no idea where he should be. Klein never blows an assignment but looks like his legs move in treacle. I said it before the game - there was no good solution. When you are down to linebackers 5 and 6 there rarely is. That is the NFL. Nobody has functional depth going to their third string at a spot.

Yea I am a huge Ed Oliver guy and over the years he has had very good games against KC even if the "stat box" hasn't shown it necessarily. Sunday was not one of them. The Chiefs interior oline is the best in the NFL for my money and they won that battle against Oliver and Jones handily.