GunnerBill

I don't think Lamar was a very deserving MVP. I have said all along that in the absence of a QB walking away with it (and definitely none did this year) I'd have voted for non-QBs this time. Hill and CMC. But the Quarterback of the #1 seed is pretty par for the course in the way the voting for this award goes.

So Kenneth Walker, yep. Agree. Beast. Breece Hall, meh. I wouldn't swap them, but nor would I if I were a Jets fan. They are 6 and two 3s. Montgomery - no. His success was scheme. Gibbs, sure. He is very talented. Kamara, I have loved, he is one of the few guys I'd have paid a second contract - but as a rusher he has declined big style. Less than 4 ypc over the last 3 years and off field issues. I'd pass at this point. Josh Jacobs - mainly a volume guy. Again his ypc is not great. Pacheco - good back but I wouldn't swap. Barkley - yea when he is healthy and his line gives him at least some blocking he is a stud.

He wasn't the lead back for most of the year. I don't think we win the Cowboys game running Singletary the number of times we ran Cook. He just plain and simple isn't as good.

Nah it isn't zero. And I am someone who doesn't think RBs matter.

That certainly doesn't contradict what I was told. My source said Allen and Diggs have fallen out about the offense (which could well be the execution of it) and it was never a Diggs / McDermott issue. As I said earlier I wad told there were times late in 2022 when they were barely on speaking terms. And btw I said this last offseason when the popular narrative wad he had enough of coaching. That was not what I was told and your source seems to back that up.

Over the last decade - CMC, Kamara, Henry and I'd have extended Taylor too. That is it. 4.

Yea but how many elite backs are there now? Very, very few. Because in the days of OJ and even Thurm the best athletes played running back. Now they are playing Quarterback and Wide Receiver. CMC is literally the only back in the NFL this year who I think has impacted the eventual W-L of his team. And Cook isn't CMC, obviously. But the list of other guys I'd take isn't massive.

I agreed with your initial post. All I have done since is respond to people who have taken umbridge with my view on Von.

Sorry Cook is a clear tier up from Singletary. Is he elite? No. But he is a clear #1 back and Singletary isn't.

The people who don't think Cook is a 1 pretty much all fall into this camp. When they say "Cook isn't a #1 back" they mean "Cook doesn't meet my stylistic preference."

Still got to drill technique. Still got to work with the QB on reads and progressions. Still got to be an extra pair of eyes on the ipad between series breaking down what they are seeing.

Yea Tre wasn't close to his best. But he could move around, he wasn't a total liability on the field. That is the distinction. Von was replacement player level.

Yea I am in the same place with Jenkins. Love him. Think he is probably best suited to a 5T in a 3-4

That is fair. The Bills have not had enough elite players.

They are concentration drops though. His hands are pretty good. The number of time Josh checked down to him this year and he held the ball despite getting levelled as he caught it was considerable. It is just concentration especially in the redzone.

Agree. He isn't an elite between tackles runner but he is plenty good enough and taking him off the field for a downhill guy makes our offense more predictable not less

Thomas was the perfect guy for us two years ago to pair with still prime Stefon Diggs. I don't think he is perfect for where we are now, though I'd still take it pretty happily if he is who we end up with!

I disagree. His yards after contact were the same as Derrick Henry's this year. He is absolutely fine between the tackles.

The voting is done at the same time as all pro voting I believe and then they just hold the MVP announcement for their silly over the top honours thing.

I think he absolutely fine getting hit. He is better at inside than many, many bigger backs.

It really is that simple. Spotrac and OverTheCap both agree. The numbers are clear as day on there. The reason they are all saying the out year is 2025 is because in 2025 you can cut him and not leave a single year's dad cap hit above $10m. Which is right that is what you would normally consider the out point. But that is before you factor in his total no show performance wise in 2024.

I don't know that it was thinking Josh is a bad Quarterback as such. I'm not sure they totally saw eye to eye on Dorsey's vision for the offense but I don't know if there was more to it than that. My gut has always been it might be a personal thing as much as a football thing. But yea, I'm not really sure what his end game is. I know he hates losing and takes it very badly. I'm largely ignoring his offseason posturing, as I did last year, but I think the same now as I did then: when there is this much smoke there is a fire burning somewhere. If we had missed the playoffs and changed regime I'd have seriously considered moving on from Stef as part of a re-set year (and I am his biggest fan since his rookie year in Minnesota) but given where we are I think they have to try and maximise him next year and while I think actually his vertical separation was definitely less this year than previous years, even at the end of the season I saw no issue with him separating quickly in the intermediate range where his cuts and quick feet hide the fact that he might have lost a year of pure speed. So we have to use Stef much more as a Z receiver, the flanker in old money, and bring in an X receiver with explosion who can win vertically. I think that is the way to maximise Stef (if they do that I am confident he can post another 1,000 yard season) and make the offense more dynamic.

It is not just age. It is more watching him this past year. Because I wasn't saying coming into the season Von is toast. When you combine how he looks with the fact he is about to turn 35 I think the chances of an offseason being the cure are extremely low.

With respect to Greg you don't "kick $15m out of the $32m we owe into 2025." $6m of that money is in 2025 even if we cut him as a post June 1 cut NEXT year which almost everyone presumes is the plan. So really what you do is accelerate (I prefer that term to kick in these circumstances - kick to me means move out in time whereas here we would be moving money forward) an additional $9m onto the 2025 cap which would otherwise (with a post 1 June next year cut) be on the cap in 2026. Again my point here is that 32m is 32m whichever way round you go. You can't get out of a penny of that money by cutting him now or cutting him later. This year's 17m is guaranteed and the 15m after that is long since paid in cash terms. So do you want to spend ANOTHER $6.7m on Von or not? Personally I think he is done, so no.

He is explosive so he flashes. Looks like he is shot out of a cannon at times in his get off. He definitely has ability. But he is still making mistakes when he is out there too and it has limited his play time.