GunnerBill

They looked great against Skylar. The offense and special teams kept putting them in holes. Skylar had two drives over 30 yards all game.

100% agree. And also while I know not everyone here shares this opinion because he once beat the Chiefs in the playoffs I am not a Zac Taylor guy. I trust Burrow. I just don't trust the organisation around him.

Yea I don't know that I think he does dominate against man. Or at least not consistently enough. I think the Bills need a separator personally and while Coleman has a skill set it isn't that. I like him somewhere where they already had that quick separator type. I think he'd be a good fit with say Olave or Wilson opposite him for the Saints or Jets.

I'd say he is a smoother mover than Gabe as well. I think Legette will run faster than 4.5 but his 20 split will be of interest. Because I agree he is fast but isn't sudden and has to get into his stride to really see the speed.

I like Baker but agree not as a #1. He doesn't have the speed or explosion to win vertically IMO. I do think he is a good route runner though and can be a good intermediate receiver. Of the non-consensus top 10 or 12 guys I habe watched (and that isn't all of them) he is the guy I am most impressed with. Think his understanding of the game and defensive coverages is pretty advanced. Agree Keon doesn't separate. I am all over the map on him. When he is good he is very, very, good. You watch the Clemson film, the LSU film, the Michigan game from last year and you are like "slam dunk 1st round player, possible top 10." And then you watch the Florida game or the Boston College game or Ohio State from last year and you'd struggle to give him a day 2 grade. I have moved him up and down my board more than any player in this class so far. I am settling on he isn't a 1st round grade but he might be upper second. I have stopped watching him now. I will come back in the last week or so before the draft when I have taken some distance.

Pay no attention to height weight until the combine. It's a total lying game.

I have those 5: 1 Legette 2 Franklin 3 Thomas 4 Mitchell 5 Worthy I agree to an extent on Thomas. I think he is a total one trick pony. But at that trick I think he is unguardable.

It was Aaron Schatz. And yea it happens every year now with MVP. The groupthink makes the vote itself a foregone conclusion.

Agreed.

I agree with you re. the type Beane goes for. I am not sure Mitchell is going to run that fast though. He certainly doesn't look that fast on tape. I see him more as a high 4.4s guy. I love Mitchell's hands. But otherwise I think he is a guy who is good at most things without a single exceptional trait. I am with DC Orange he is kind of a middle of round 2 guy to me.

Simple, there aren't.

I think he is just a tick below Donald and Jones. I think he was better than Q this past year, don't see any reason why he can't be better again. I think he is on that level. Donald and Jones remain a cut above, sure.

He is a top player.

Look at the underlying metrics in terms of pass rush win rate and pressures. If anything it was an anomoly that the sacks didn't come sooner. Ed's a top player. Zero doubt about it.

Oliver is not a bad contract. That is insane.

I mean the Ravens ran a three tight end offense in Lamar's first MVP season.....

Not quite. But we did have lots of "ignore your eyes and look at these stats that prove that Tyrod is a top 10 Quarterback."

Yea if the draft fell like that I'd be pretty satisfied I think.

Yea I think the senior bowl is the first place team scouts and media chat to each other casually about prospects and suddenly you see guys move.

It's a good point. Not 100% sure on the rules.

Pro Football Network using their updated Big Board (no trades): 28 - Brian Thomas, Wide Receiver, LSU Thomas seems to be getting down as far as the Bills since they updated their big board as Keon Coleman looks to have jumped him. Not sure how realistic it is. I still have Franklin and Legette graded slightly higher than him but the consensus has Thomas ahead of both and he certainly fits my criteria of a dynamic outside receiver for Josh. 60 - T'Vondre Sweat, Defensive Tackle, Texas Sweat is a starting 1 tech pretty early in my view and when I watched him I was surprised at how much push he gets in his pass rush for a big guy. I'm not totally sold he is their type and this may be a bit of a low hanging fruit pick but I don't tend to love where the board leaves you as the Bills at the back end of round two. 99 - Jonah Elliss, Edge, Utah Elliss is a little undersized but he has NFL pedigree and he was productive in college. He has a good get off and I think he just finds a way to affect the passer. He is probably a situational pass rusher as a rookie and the Bills would probably want him to add some bulk which I think his frame will take, but is probably needed if he is going to have any impact against the run on early downs. 128 - Tykee Smith, Safety, Georgia Smith lacks a little speed but he can play deep, can hit in the box and he can come up and cover slot guys too. I think he is potentially a long term replacement for Micah Hyde even if he might take some time to crack the lineup as a rookie. 158 - Javon Baker, Wide Receiver, UCF I like Baker as a mid round fit for the Bills if their early pick is someone like Thomas. Baker's deficit is he isn't the quickest but he is a very good route runner for a guy coming out of college and you can see him playing that flanker role ultimately opposite a downfield receiver like Thomas is. I suppose he has a touch of Stefon Diggs about him and if he lives up to his potential could be a successor to #14. 161 - Beaux Limmer, Center, Arkansas Developmental center with good movement skills and a nuanced understanding of how to maintain blocks throughout the rep. He isn't the thickest below the waist and you might want him to bulk up there to improve his anchor. Not a starter as a rookie but could start down the road. 197 - Jo Milton, Quarterback, Tennessee I want the Bills to take a shot on a late round Quarterback but I want a toolsy ceiling guy not a physically limited college smart game manager. Milton was wildly inconsistent in the Senior Bowl, both during the week and the game but the army strength, mobility and quick release were all on display. If he shows some promise I'd even be willing to commit a 3rd roster spot to Quarterback in 2024 if I thought that in 2025 and beyond he could be a cheap as chips backup. 201 - Decorian Patterson, Corner, UCF This kid screams Bills. Has experience inside and outside, smart, good instincts, good recovery speed that means he is rarely beaten deep. You know Brandon Beane is always going to throw a late day 3 pick as a DB somewhere. He'd be a nice pickup and could secure a roster spot initially as the primary backup at nickel. 205 - Cedric Johnson, Edge, Ole Miss They need depth at Dline so why not take another shot here. Johnson is more of a bigger end who is going to be stout v the run and more of a straight ahead rusher but he might be an interesting developmental piece. 245 - Darius Muasau, Linebacker, UCLA I know linebacker depth isn't a major need but loved this kid at the Shrine bowl and I reckon he'd play some special teams for you as well as providing depth at middle linebacker.

Tre is slated to count $16m against the cap in 2024. But he has no new guaranteed money so if the Bills cut him he doesn't get another penny (though we still have to account for the $10m in dead bonus money already paid). If the Bills were to offer him some new guaranteed money (I've suggested about $8m) in exchange for a big paycut on the unguaranteed salary he is due I would think it would be attractive to him. If it isn't fine, he can go. He'd be "playing" for about $8m in new money but only half of that would be accounted for in 2024, with the rest spread across 2025 and possibly a void year or two. He'd then count about $10m against the 2024 cap - the $6m that already counts against the cap from previously paid bonus money, plus $4m of the new money. Which is the same as he counts against the cap if we cut him because as well as the $6m already paid this year a cut (without a post 1 June designation) escalates the other $4m of already paid bonus to the 2024 cap.

Yea my level of patience isn't endless but the how is as important as the what. If they lose to Tua and the Dolphins in the playoffs for example I am much more likely to say "okay you have to make a change" than if they lose by a field goal to Mahomes and Reid. I think there does come a point when even if you don't think Sean McDermott is problem (and I don't with the exception of 13 seconds) you have to try something different just for the sake of a new voice. I'm probably two seasons away from that to be honest, and that just so happens to line up with the point where you kind of have to re-do Josh's deal ahead of his age 30 season. That is the point where even if I don't think this regime has done enough to justify a change I might want to make one. That isn't to say there are no circumstances where I'd move on after this year. There are. Missing the playoffs is a fireable offense (unless Josh gets hurt) and I said that when we were 6-6 too.

That's mainly in run support though and I'd see him much more as the centre fielder.

Yep. I had a 1st on Jones that year when a lot of people, particularly early on, had him as a day two guy. But I confess I did not have a 1st on TJ Watt and it was exactly for the reason you said. He was a big, stiff, kid who needed to add some functional strength to his frame and didn't have the explosion or the bend around the edge you look for. To be honest if it wasn't for his hands I might even have had a third on him. I thought some of the hype was the name.