GunnerBill

Yea I suppose I differentiate the "we suck" by mid season tank from the more intentional tank from the start. In the Jets position now you should absolutely be trying to lose.

That was definitely the plan. But what cab they do? The injuries are real.

Yep. It's the bolded. Where once he was the coming force he is now clearly yesterday's man. How much time can a guy in his 70s get? That is why it sucked as a hire. That was a multi year rebuild.... with a coach who is in his 70s. Nonsensical.

Nope. Was horrible hire. And bringing Chip with him was clown show territory.

The Cleveland 1-15 came after that and was definitely a tank. They even traded cap room for a pick remember allowing the Texans to essentially dump Osweiler's contract onto their salary cap for the cost of a 2nd round pick. That is the definition of a team trying not to win. But agree the Colts tanked for Luck too. They are the only two genuine tanks I can recall.

I'd take Addison in a heartbeat.

No I am not. The OP claimed he'd be the #1 on all those teams he listed except Seattle. That's utter insanity.

Coaching has been an issue this year. It isn't the reason Keon Coleman sucks. On what basis could he?

Keon Coleman wouldn't be the #1 on any team in the NFL. I am not sure there are more than 2 or 3 where he'd even get a look as a #2.

Yea it was Wyoming Josh's worst trait. He has mainly overcome it in the NFL which is super impressive but every now and again when his OL collapses as it did Thursday he reverts to type, holds it too long running around recklessly in the backfield trying to make something happen. To be clear though it was a symptom of the Bills failure on Thursday not the cause.

Agree. The Browns tanked once the year they ended up taking Garrett. They weren't trying to tank the next year they were just so bad they go Baker anyway. The last few years we have had the Browns (Garrett and Baker), the Jags (Lawrence and Walker) and now likely the Titans (Ward and ??) end up with back to back #1 picks. It is no guarantee at all that you get good. That uncertainty lf the draf and the physicality of the game (meaning it is really hard to tell guys putting their bodies on the line not to try) means that intentional full tanks are rare and I don't see it increasing any time soon.

Matt Ryan went to the Colts. He was washed by then but he went. Eli is one.

Beane does not have the power to fire McDemott. So nor, presumably, would in coming GM. It is academic though. I know as of two years ago for a fact that Pegula considered them joined at the hip. I strongly suspect he still does. If one deserves firing I suspect both go.

What gives you confidence VPG is any good?

I think Groot has had a decent season. It is just the Bills paid him like a player he is not. He is never going to be a big sack guy. He is a base end who plays the run and will have a big game as a pass rusher once or twice a year and otherwise he will get the odd clean up sack.