GunnerBill

I think it is just about learning what responsibilities are what on a down to down basis. Rapp is a bit of a loose cannon. Poyer knows the defense reads his keys and plays the scheme. When you get into a rhythm doing that it carries over even when Poyer is out of the game.

They were 29th last year. And trending for the same before McDermott took over playcalling. Was worse v Tampa but his first 3 games as playcaller they were in top 3 in the NFL territory and that boosted the average.

He definitely is. I mean he is no daddy JoPo but still....

Sounds like a party I've been to....

And imagine if WC weekend the Chiefs didn't make it and the #5 Bills go to #4 Ravens and win. Even though this a flawed Bills team belief would be through the freaking roof.

Yea it is the Josh standard. That wasn't in his 10 best games as a Bills QB. Might not be in his top 20. He played better against KC IMO. And yet he scored 6 touchdowns rush and pass. A top 10 Josh day on Sunday and that score would have got embarrassing quickly for Tampa. EDIT: and he is the only QB in NFL history who could score 6 combined touchdowns and not have a top 10 career day.

And I think anyone who watched the game knows exactly what he means. It was not 60 mintues of consistent good QB play. If it had have been the Bills hang 60 on the Buccs.

Agree. And didn't Dejean have a pick on SNF anyway? So he DOES now have a regular season pick. Dejean is a difference maker on that defense. Hopefully Cole is trending that way on ours. He has been excellent the past few games but we are a way off putting him on Cooper Dejean's level yet. And FWIW Dejean has graded out very well when he has played as an outside corner this season too, which they have done a fair bit of in 2025. He is elite in the slot, but he can play outside corner and be a good NFL starter. He isn't Taron Johnson who had to play slot because he wouldn't survive outside, he is closer to McDuffie who plays in the slot because he is elite there. He isn't as good as McDuffie outside, but he can play there.

I do remember him not being your #1 WR, good call, and I think it is fair that at the moment he hasn't looked like a top 5 pick. On the flipside I also think the level of his struggles have been slightyly exaggerated too. He is averaging almost 55 yards per game and has 12 NFL touchdowns in 26 starts and without stellar QB play. People attaching words like "bust" to him are over the top IMO. Not saying you are doing that but some are. It is just that the expectations were sky high. If that class was re-drafted by the NFL today he'd still go around the top half of round 1 I think. But yea, probably outside the top 10.

I think he is just not very good in the role he was drafted to play. He wasn't very good at that role even in Florida.

Yea, probably fair. I don't watch a ton of the Colts. They are so dull to me, even this year. But he has started since the middle of his rookie season on a pretty decent Oline and not looked out of place.

You can make an argument that the best two picks in that 3rd round are both Buccs. McMillan had a really good rookie year (got hurt in pre-season currently on IR) and Smith has developed into one of the better nickels in football. Other than those two it is Bullock (home run pick for the Texans) and Puni (solid IOL for the 9ers). Dru Phillips had a good rookie year for the Giants too, but has struggled some this season. I am on holiday so I don't have my board in front of me but the other thing that stands out looking at that list is a LOT of those guys I did not have as top 100 guys. I know without looking that #s 65, 67, 68, 71, 72, 77, 82, 83, 91, 94, 95 and 97 were not top 100 grades on my board. I think a few others too but I know instantly on those. That said I think I had seconds on #s 66, 74, 78 and 93 and only Bullock of those has proven me right. My take on that class was decent top 100, thin after that, but the consensus broke down somewhat sooner than I expected. And only the top 50/55 picks stuck to the sort of pattern I expected. That was different to say this past draft in 2025 where I think by the end of round three 90 of my top 120 odd had gone off the board.

Shavers came out a year BEFORE Keon though. He had two years on the PS before he broke the roster.

You are wrong on Dorian though. You might love him, but he makes sooo many mental mistakes as @HoofHearted has just demonstrated some examples of. Now I agree with you the starters have been horrid, so I am at "nothing much to lose" stage - but I do not expect Dorian to be transformational for this defense. He still doesn't understand what he sees with any consistency. As for Bishop last year, he was on the field and he was making killer mistakes consistently. The light has gone on with him since Poyer went alongside him. So if you want to blame the Bills for not having a trur vet in the room to work with him in 2024, be my guest. But arguing he should have played more in 2024.... no. Sorry. He shouldn't. He was a liability out there.

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