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What is interesting is that BIG is NOT as important in the Bills scheme as quickness and athleticism. Look at Poz's shuttle and cone drills. He is probably better at OLB for the Cover 2 and knowing how the Bills don;t really "play games", I think the Bills wll keep Crowell and ILB and take Poz or Beason.

You know, I think we COULD end up taking Willis but I think that we could just as easily take Poz or Beason. In fact, I get this feeling that being smaller and quicker and really strong puts Beason higher than Willis on Dick and Marv's wishlist. I would go so far as to say that the Bills very well could have the LB's rated like this: 1. Beason (Poz) 2. Poz (Beason) 3. Willis 4. Timmons If this is the case and all 4 are available at 12 it could get REAl interesting b/c I think the real reason the Bills did not trade with Denver last year is that Oak took a Safety (M Huff) right before us increasing the chances that a team (Balt or other by trade) could grad Whitner. If they had to have a Safety I really like their decision to not risk it b/c maybe they did not like Jason Allen, the struggling Dolphin. If someone grabs Willis before 12, look for the Bills to sit tight and take Poz or Beason. In fact, I'd be shocked if that is not the case. The Bills don't too much about the fact that others have guys ranked a little lower than when they take them b/c they value guys that fit their scheme and personnel make-up. Period. Especially in the 1st round. They will take the guy they want even if it is a little (5-15 spots) higher they the "Experts" rank them unless they feel really good about multiple players and how the board and prior picks have gone.... Go Bills. Prediction: 1. Beason or Poz 2. Pittman or Brian Leonard If we go OL/CB/DT in round 2 (I don't think we will) then look for Brandon Jackson in Rnd 3. 3.

Picks are picks guys. If we sign a guy and cut him or never play him I argue it would not be at all worth it this year b/c it WILL afffect the Bills in 2008 and beyond. So, you just want to throw that extra 3rd rounder Balt gave us in '08 for Willis McG back to them. Boy, maybe you should go ask Daniel Snyder for a job in the front office, b/c you might have a future with them...

I hope so. Signees like Eddie Robinson or Tutan Reyes at this point in the off-season can be costly in terms of comp. picks. I hope they don;t lose sight of that b/c look at what we got in the 5th (starting DT) and 6th (starying OLB) round last year. I know nothing is a gaurantee but a 5th or 6th CAN (can is a key word) be huge and not just a basic or "good" starter...

Without rushing to judgement on whether it is a good or bad move, signing W. Holdman (LB) or any other UFA will cost us a pick or decrease the value of one in compensatory picks in 2008... Right now we have signed 3 (all OL's on day 1 of Free Agency) and with Davis going to Houston, we have lost 4 UFA's. That means that based on a net loss we would probably get something in comp. picks in 2008. Marv and company must weigh whether the signee is as important as that pick. My gut tells me that if there is a 40% (just a guesstimate) chance of the guy being cut before opening day, then we don't sign the guy and let the draft picks and other guys battle with older veterans around b/c a 5th or 6th or whatever we get next year can be very valuable. Peace! Go Sabres! Go Bills!

I don't think the Bills would be overly disappointed but I could be wrong. I think with the Offense we have they want a big back (turner fit that), that is a very good physical and mental (not Willis Mcg) blocker (don't know about Turner but assume he could fit this, and lastly, will be a great help to JP in the flats or down field catching passes and picking up RAC yards. I think they may be targeting Brian Leonard, RB from Rutgers. He passes all those tests with flying colors for our O at least based on what he showed in college. He also is of great character and a top notch teammate. He just wants to win. The ONLY question about him is "does his 'game' translate into a good-very good RB in the NFL?". I bet the Bills think so and will grab him in the 2nd right at #11 in the 2nd or move up or down and grad him mid or later in round 2.

Can't do it and make them happy enough to play this year (Briggs) or next year (M Turner) b/c the Bills will only spend Cash To Cap. That is unless they take the Big signing Bonus in 2008 and not when then sign. Probably not happening. Maybe one of them but Not Both!

Yeah great. Then post game comments after 134 yds Willis says "Yeah, I was down because of that latest baby momma but I saw some burning Bills McGahee jerseys on the way over to the Ralph and I got fired up and started reading my play book"!!

Editted for readability.... Sorry So, everybody said we reached for Whitner (me too) but the Bills loved him so much they did not want to risk moving down and snached him at #8 last year EVEN THOUGH THEY NEVER HAD IN BUFFALO FOR A PRE DRAF VISIT. Hey, if Marv takes him I have no problem with it. But there is a small chance (smirk) that since he is a quality person and a very strong, talented WR in all facets that the Bills know others are interested very close to 12. Now the other teams think the Bills are or at least could be interested. I smell smoke!!! Stop, Drop and Roll!!!!!!!

So, everybody said we reached for Whitner (me too) but the Bills loved him so much they did not want to risk moving down and snached him at #8 last year EVEN THOUGH THEY NEVER HAD IN BUFFALO FOR A PRE DRAF VISIT. Hey, if Marv takes him I have no problem with it but there is a small chance (smirk) that since he is a quality person and very strong, talented WR it all facets that the Bills know others are interested and know the other think the Bills are interested. I smell smoke!!! Stop, Drop and Roll!!!!!!!

Pure Bust, I go with Pamela Anderson. Draft Bust, Ryan Leaf.

Well, they may be willing to do the trade for our 2nd and have him play some of the year under the existing contract and towards the end of the season or during the bye week, extend him for 5 yrs only after determining he is or will become be a true #1 back...

I really believe that Marv and Dick want Crowell at ILB and P Willis is gone at #11 to SF.

Disagree. We draft Paul Puz out of PSU. I want Willis, yu want Willis, but instead we get a good player not a great one.

Paul Puz OLB in Rnd 1 is the PICK M Lynch or P Wllis or A Peterson is who I want though...

Trust me. Mark it down. The Bills will draft Poslusny right at #12 b/c the teams just below have needs at LB and a Bay-Area team picked a player at the position of need that we are targeting in Round 1 just like last year (Oakland S Michael Huff). This year Patrick Willis goes to SF. And, maybe even more surporsing to many is us taking Poslusny at #12 even thiugh Wilis IS available. I get a strong feeling that the roster move of Crowell to ILB is permanent b/c they like his smarts and veteran presence. That leaves us missing a starting OLB and the Bills probably love Puz. I personally like Justin Durant and qunicy Black better in a lower round than 1. Bills will do Puz in Rnd 1 and Brian Leonard in Rnd 2. Leonard helps JP in pass-protection and out of the backfield and is a nice compliment to A-train, Shaud Will, and Fred Jack. Then in round 3 will look at OL, CB, or maybe depth at LB and S ...

I really get the feeling that is exactly who they want. Patrick Willis. Awesome player and person on and off the field. SF or another team could easily take him before 12 though. IF we can get P Willis, I believe it would allow the Bills to trade/cut T Spikes and go with Ellison, Willis and Crowell as the LB's with Wire/Stamer and the others as backups. If they DONT get Willis, look for a trade down targeting P Puznolzy in Rnd 1 or DeOssie in the 3rd rnd. LB: Check Sign C Brown and we don't have a HUGE need at RB if we stick to RB by committee approach. Marv and Dick don't say things and believe/do another. If they are going to do something they really don;t want everybody to KNOW about, they dance a bit or don;t address at all. They don;t say one thing and come back later saying we changed our mind. That said, RB becomes a 3rd or 4th round consideration. DT becomes the focus of rnd 2: Mebane or another I'd say if we don;t move up and still have 2 3rd rounders we TRY to go CB and RB in round 3 but if a nice OT or OG falls and they don't like the value of CB's or Rb's, they go in OL direction.... Shall see... Go Bills!

There is no difference except the two things mentioned. God tried to clone JJ Arrington and just missed by a bit.

No. Just posting what I found. Are they being untruthful? I don't know but all of them is a good body of opinion right?

No Rupp's ancestors shortened their last name. Mine did not! Rupprecht is the full last name and I am not related to Rupprecht the Monkey Boy from Dirty Rotten Schondrels either! I just think the Bills need to take one of the following at 12: Lynch, Willis, Peterson or Okoye I'd be happy with any of them and would love them to grad Lynch at 12 and trade back into Rnd 1 and somehow grab Willis. They could go DT and CB with top picks remaining after the trade. I'd love that but it is probably a slim chance b/c I bet Willis higher than people expect.... 11 (SF) 12 (Buf) or close after.. Peace!

Character issues?? I previously posted in another thread but thought a fresh one was worthy........ Anybody remember a player that Dave Wannstedt took off his draft baord b/c of his poor attitude and character? anybody? Eric Moulds Lynch drove the cart around to get his fans excited and pumped. a little bit immature? sure but the kid is 20 or 21 tight? Issues with a female real or fabricated? don;t know but... Read this and listen to the team that drafts him (who knows) talk about his character after the draft. do your homework guys even if he does not get drafted by the Bills. --------------------- Here it is ----------------------- http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/marshawn/m...awn-quotes.html What They're Saying About Marshawn Lynch... "Marshawn is a tremendous all-around football player. He may be the best all-around player that I have ever seen. He can throw it; he can catch it; he can run with it; he can block; he has the size, the strength and the speed. He's got all the tools to be a great back and he continues to mature. He has become more physical. He is a game-breaker; he can make the difference in a game." - Jeff Tedford, Cal Head Coach "When he's on the field, that's his stage. That's when he lets everything out, right there. I guess football is his medicine, the way for him to release everything, and do his thing. It's kind of neat the way it comes out." - Robert Jordan, Cal wide receiver and Lynch's cousin "Lynch is an extraordinary player. It has been cool to watch the guy grow up. He's gotten stronger and more creative. He can catch the ball like crazy. He must be a terrific competitor."- Pete Carroll, USC Head Coach "He is as good a running back as I've seen since I've been a (college) head coach. I've not seen (Oklahoma's) Adrian Peterson in person, but I've seen Marshawn, and he's an impressive player. He ranks with some of the best who have played in this league." - Mike Riley, Oregon State Head Coach "He can break tackles; you have to do a great job pursuing him. He can make guys miss tackles and can break them. He has a rare combination of speed and power. He can go all the way on every play. You got to get a lot of guys around there and contain him...Lynch is capable of 2,000 yards." - Dirk Koetter, Arizona State Head Coach "And the thing is, it took four or five people to take him down. I looked at the rest of the film (from 2005) and it was the same thing: he's breaking tackles. I can't think of one time when one guy was able to take him down." - Dominic Jones, Minnesota safety "Marshawn Lynch is one of the best backs if not the best back in the country. He runs tough, but he can run away from you, catch the ball out of the backfield, and block well. Just a fabulous player." - Phillip Fulmer, Tennessee Head Coach "Has the speed to run away and, at 217 pounds, the power to run over -- now he just needs to add the carries to make sure you notice him. Lynch has averaged a whopping 7.0 yards per carry his first two years of college football, plus he's a solid receiver, returns kickoffs and even threw a touchdown pass last year." - Pat Forde, ESPN.com "That dude is unbelievable. He's one of the most diverse running backs I've ever seen. Anytime he gets the ball in his hands he can do anything. We could be on the one-yard line and he could take it all the way. Just having the ball in his hands you never know what he's going to do." - DeSean Jackson, Cal wide receiver on SI.com "That's what makes it so fun to block for Marshawn. He always gives us credit, even after he's been the one making us look good. He makes you want to get down field and keep blocking, because you know he'll break some tackles. But you'll never hear him talking about himself." - Erik Robertson, Cal offensive lineman "The thing about him is that he's the best athlete on the field, by a long shot. He can run with it. He can catch it. He can throw it. He can pretty much do it all. We're able to put him in so many positions and he's so smart. One of the things you really have to be careful with asking guys to do too much is you're putting them in all these different positions. They have to understand what they're doing. They have to know the play. They have to know the fundamentals and technique and all the coaching points to it. He is a great learner that way. He really has a great feel for the game. He can get it in the meeting and take it on the field and have a pretty good idea of what we're looking for."- Jeff Tedford, Cal head coach "[Lynch] Ran for almost 1,300 yards in only 10 games with Cal struggling at quarterback. Imagine what he'll do when he's healthy with a stable signal-caller. Forget USC: Lynch is the best [Heisman] candidate in the Pac-10." - Dennis Dodd, CBS Sportsline "Lynch has a rare combination of strength, balance and speed. He appears capable of breaking away for a touchdown whether he is running up the middle, taking the ball around the edge or lining up in the slot...His trademark is his ability to stay on his feet. He challenges tacklers, running right at them, and often through them. In the open field, he has true breakaway speed. He can also, when need be, use deft moves to evade tacklers." - Bruce Adams, San Francisco Chronicle "This kid [Marshawn Lynch] is a legitimate Heisman candidate - Dark Horse is another way of saying he plays on the West Coast and no one sees him play. Well, if that's the case, you're missing out. Had Lynch been healthy throughout the 2005 season, 1,500 yards in an 11-game season would've been a distinct possibility. Lynch might be the most complete running back anywhere not including, arguably, Norman, Oklahoma. That's not blasphemy, Lynch is power, speed, vision and explosion in a 5'11"/225 package that has blasted through defenses for the past two years. After he was hurt last season, people forgot all about Lynch, but he was magnificent the rest of the season. In the final eight games of the year, Lynch rolled up over 1,000 yards on only 167 carries (nearly a 6 yard per carry average) and nine touchdowns. BYU is still trying to tackle him after what he did to them in the Las Vegas Bowl. Although he 'works' on the West Coast, don't forget about #10 in the blue and gold, you'd hate to miss a 'real' Heisman candidate in action in 2006." - John Harris, CollegeFootballNews.com "[You have] the explosive factor with Marshawn Lynch. His potential to put up huge numbers, especially if Cal can get its QB situation figured out. Lynch, you have to remember, had an injury, missed two games and parts of others and still wound up rushing for almost 1300 yards...Lynch can be an impact player, one of the elite running backs in college football this year." - Todd McShay, ESPN "Everybody has talent, but not everyone has the gift. Marshawn has the gift." - Ron Gould, Cal running backs coach "Lynch has the special ability where a clean tackle hits him and it just doesn't factor in." - Pete Carroll, USC Head Coach "Marshawn's an incredible back. We have to remind ourselves to keep playing, keep blocking, because he's so fun to watch." - Marvin Philip, former Cal offensive lineman "I feed off Marshawn. I watch him make a big play and then he comes off the field smiling. It's exciting. And once he comes off, he tries to help me, telling me what he saw." - Cal running back Justin Forsett "Marshawn Lynch's 55-yard touchdown run against Stanford combined pieces of O.J. Simpson, Gale Sayers and Walter Payton. Watch out, Adrian Peterson." - Dave Newhouse, Oakland Tribune "He makes the O-line look good. He's the offensive line's best friend ... He's a very, very humble person."- Marvin Philip, former Cal offensive lineman "It should say how much is expected out of Lynch that he had a slightly disappointing season and still cranked out 1,246 yards, ten touchdowns and averaged 6.4 yards per carry despite missing time and having a few problems with a hand injury. He's a home run threat every time he touches the ball with the size at 223 pounds to power for tough yards. If he can stay healthy he's a legitimate Heisman candidate and a legitimate threat to crank out 2,000 yards." - CollegeFootballNews.com "Marshawn Lynch deserves Heisman consideration from day one." - CollegeFootballNews.com "He can sprint, he can catch, he can dazzle on returns and he can even throw it." - Joe Davidson, Sacramento Bee "He doesn't go down; he doesn't give up. He doesn't believe anybody can tackle him. You've got to gang-tackle him and you've got to hang on."- Mike Bellotti, Oregon Head Coach "He's scary. I don't know if one guy can tackle him." - Mike Riley, Oregon State Head Coach -----------------------------------------------------------------

bump. sorry. had to... Go Bills!

Just read about what the coaches and players on his team feel about him as a person and player. He i not arogant but admit he does not "sound" bright (enither did JP and other when he came out though). Anybody remember a player that Dave Wannstedt took off his draft baord b/c of his attitude and character? anybody? Eric Moulds The guy drove the cart around to get his fans excited and pumped. a little bit immature? sure but the kid is 20 or 21 tight? Read this and listen to the team that drafts him (who knows) talk about his character after the draft. do your homework guys even if he does not get drafted by the Bills. --------------------- Here it is ----------------------- http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/marshawn/m...awn-quotes.html What They're Saying About Marshawn Lynch... "Marshawn is a tremendous all-around football player. He may be the best all-around player that I have ever seen. He can throw it; he can catch it; he can run with it; he can block; he has the size, the strength and the speed. He's got all the tools to be a great back and he continues to mature. He has become more physical. He is a game-breaker; he can make the difference in a game." - Jeff Tedford, Cal Head Coach "When he's on the field, that's his stage. That's when he lets everything out, right there. I guess football is his medicine, the way for him to release everything, and do his thing. It's kind of neat the way it comes out." - Robert Jordan, Cal wide receiver and Lynch's cousin "Lynch is an extraordinary player. It has been cool to watch the guy grow up. He's gotten stronger and more creative. He can catch the ball like crazy. He must be a terrific competitor." - Pete Carroll, USC Head Coach "He is as good a running back as I've seen since I've been a (college) head coach. I've not seen (Oklahoma's) Adrian Peterson in person, but I've seen Marshawn, and he's an impressive player. He ranks with some of the best who have played in this league." - Mike Riley, Oregon State Head Coach "He can break tackles; you have to do a great job pursuing him. He can make guys miss tackles and can break them. He has a rare combination of speed and power. He can go all the way on every play. You got to get a lot of guys around there and contain him...Lynch is capable of 2,000 yards." - Dirk Koetter, Arizona State Head Coach "And the thing is, it took four or five people to take him down. I looked at the rest of the film (from 2005) and it was the same thing: he's breaking tackles. I can't think of one time when one guy was able to take him down." - Dominic Jones, Minnesota safety "Marshawn Lynch is one of the best backs if not the best back in the country. He runs tough, but he can run away from you, catch the ball out of the backfield, and block well. Just a fabulous player." - Phillip Fulmer, Tennessee Head Coach "Has the speed to run away and, at 217 pounds, the power to run over -- now he just needs to add the carries to make sure you notice him. Lynch has averaged a whopping 7.0 yards per carry his first two years of college football, plus he's a solid receiver, returns kickoffs and even threw a touchdown pass last year." - Pat Forde, ESPN.com "That dude is unbelievable. He's one of the most diverse running backs I've ever seen. Anytime he gets the ball in his hands he can do anything. We could be on the one-yard line and he could take it all the way. Just having the ball in his hands you never know what he's going to do." - DeSean Jackson, Cal wide receiver on SI.com "That's what makes it so fun to block for Marshawn. He always gives us credit, even after he's been the one making us look good. He makes you want to get down field and keep blocking, because you know he'll break some tackles. But you'll never hear him talking about himself." - Erik Robertson, Cal offensive lineman "The thing about him is that he's the best athlete on the field, by a long shot. He can run with it. He can catch it. He can throw it. He can pretty much do it all. We're able to put him in so many positions and he's so smart. One of the things you really have to be careful with asking guys to do too much is you're putting them in all these different positions. They have to understand what they're doing. They have to know the play. They have to know the fundamentals and technique and all the coaching points to it. He is a great learner that way. He really has a great feel for the game. He can get it in the meeting and take it on the field and have a pretty good idea of what we're looking for." - Jeff Tedford, Cal head coach "[Lynch] Ran for almost 1,300 yards in only 10 games with Cal struggling at quarterback. Imagine what he'll do when he's healthy with a stable signal-caller. Forget USC: Lynch is the best [Heisman] candidate in the Pac-10." - Dennis Dodd, CBS Sportsline "Lynch has a rare combination of strength, balance and speed. He appears capable of breaking away for a touchdown whether he is running up the middle, taking the ball around the edge or lining up in the slot...His trademark is his ability to stay on his feet. He challenges tacklers, running right at them, and often through them. In the open field, he has true breakaway speed. He can also, when need be, use deft moves to evade tacklers." - Bruce Adams, San Francisco Chronicle "This kid [Marshawn Lynch] is a legitimate Heisman candidate - Dark Horse is another way of saying he plays on the West Coast and no one sees him play. Well, if that's the case, you're missing out. Had Lynch been healthy throughout the 2005 season, 1,500 yards in an 11-game season would've been a distinct possibility. Lynch might be the most complete running back anywhere not including, arguably, Norman, Oklahoma. That's not blasphemy, Lynch is power, speed, vision and explosion in a 5'11"/225 package that has blasted through defenses for the past two years. After he was hurt last season, people forgot all about Lynch, but he was magnificent the rest of the season. In the final eight games of the year, Lynch rolled up over 1,000 yards on only 167 carries (nearly a 6 yard per carry average) and nine touchdowns. BYU is still trying to tackle him after what he did to them in the Las Vegas Bowl. Although he 'works' on the West Coast, don't forget about #10 in the blue and gold, you'd hate to miss a 'real' Heisman candidate in action in 2006." - John Harris, CollegeFootballNews.com "[You have] the explosive factor with Marshawn Lynch. His potential to put up huge numbers, especially if Cal can get its QB situation figured out. Lynch, you have to remember, had an injury, missed two games and parts of others and still wound up rushing for almost 1300 yards...Lynch can be an impact player, one of the elite running backs in college football this year." - Todd McShay, ESPN "Everybody has talent, but not everyone has the gift. Marshawn has the gift." - Ron Gould, Cal running backs coach "Lynch has the special ability where a clean tackle hits him and it just doesn't factor in." - Pete Carroll, USC Head Coach "Marshawn's an incredible back. We have to remind ourselves to keep playing, keep blocking, because he's so fun to watch." - Marvin Philip, former Cal offensive lineman "I feed off Marshawn. I watch him make a big play and then he comes off the field smiling. It's exciting. And once he comes off, he tries to help me, telling me what he saw." - Cal running back Justin Forsett "Marshawn Lynch's 55-yard touchdown run against Stanford combined pieces of O.J. Simpson, Gale Sayers and Walter Payton. Watch out, Adrian Peterson." - Dave Newhouse, Oakland Tribune "He makes the O-line look good. He's the offensive line's best friend ... He's a very, very humble person." - Marvin Philip, former Cal offensive lineman "It should say how much is expected out of Lynch that he had a slightly disappointing season and still cranked out 1,246 yards, ten touchdowns and averaged 6.4 yards per carry despite missing time and having a few problems with a hand injury. He's a home run threat every time he touches the ball with the size at 223 pounds to power for tough yards. If he can stay healthy he's a legitimate Heisman candidate and a legitimate threat to crank out 2,000 yards." - CollegeFootballNews.com "Marshawn Lynch deserves Heisman consideration from day one." - CollegeFootballNews.com "He can sprint, he can catch, he can dazzle on returns and he can even throw it." - Joe Davidson, Sacramento Bee "He doesn't go down; he doesn't give up. He doesn't believe anybody can tackle him. You've got to gang-tackle him and you've got to hang on." - Mike Bellotti, Oregon Head Coach "He's scary. I don't know if one guy can tackle him." - Mike Riley, Oregon State Head Coach -----------------------------------------------------------------

Agreed all the way around. If any of those 4 are there, take them. If not, trade down. No reason to leave one of those guys on the board. I have no problem with a CB with any of or 3rds but not 1st or 2nd unless the value just explodes in the 2nd and we don't an RB or LB there. Still think a trade down in that scenario is better than a CB in round 2.

Brandon Jackson or FRED jackson. I've never heard of a fred Jackson in the Draft stuff Ive seen.... Thanks.