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They rank them by position. While their analysis is obviously flawed in major ways, here's the link: WR Rankings by The Football Outsiders

I'd say Joe Horn and Mushin Muhammed seeing just as many doubles as Eric yet being ranked by the same outfit #2 and #3 this past season would tend to "diminish" that argument.

Not by their analysis- his QB was ranked 21st, 30th, 11th and 16th over the same period.

With Eric never reaching higher than the 45th best player at WR over the past 4 seasons- is Moulds that bad or is the system they use to analyze statistics the bigger question? Maybe the question is how does a service with this faulty a set of formulas for statistical analysis convince anyone to espouse its results? Or has Eric Moulds been vastly overpaid for his services in Buffalo?

Oh, confusion reigns my friend- when it comes to you style boys who have no ability to hold a coherent discussion. You claim to agree with the stats on Football Outsiders. You claim that Moulds had one bad year in but that shouldn't be held against him. Football Outsiders WR Rank for Eric Moulds: He's currently ranked 45th After last season they had him a whopping 54th The season before they had him 55th. The season prior they rated him 70th Which one is the "pretty good year" you're talking about? That's more like a career of sucking (for a guy making top 8 money) according to your love of the Football Outsiders methodology. Now I'll say it again, sh-- or get off the pot- do you embrace this statistical system that completely contradicts the argument you are making or do you continue to fail to recognize that you are destroying your own argument with faulty analysis that you and Coach Tuesday appear to be the only posters foolish enough to embrace? BTW- you might notice that Drew Bledsoe's full seasons go 11th, 11th, 30th, 21st. Those jokers at Football Outsiders REALLY like Bledsoe!

When the facts don't support you try verbosity- How Jim Rome of you!

I believe the Rules of The Wall limit any string to 3 pompous asses, 5 certifiable boneheads and 8 nosepickers. You might give him credit for honoring that rule when he discovered the string 3 pages ago.

It's quite simple really- CoachTuesday and dawgg insist that The Football Outsiders are expert analysts when it comes to ranking offenses and defenses but their player rankings have no validity at all! The politically correct term for it in the real world is "confused".

Let's see- they rank Bledsoe the #21 NFL Quarterback in the world- and your interpretation of that is that Bledsoe was "ineffective"- but their rank of Moulds as the 45th best receiver qualifies him for a big hug from you! Don't let me interrupt your shoveling duties!

Thank you for confirming EXACTLY my point. You'll cite some "analysis" as the truth when it suits you, then ignore it when another of your arguments is blown up in your face by exactly the same methodology. Among other words for it: Hypocrisy

Speakin' of the birds- how has Garza been developing in the interior line? He had very good fundamental athleticism coming out, I figured he'd stay at OC in the pros but the Falcons have used him at OG- has he gotten big enough to play the Guard spot well?

Might be hard to even call his '03 campaign "developmental". He apparently impressed the staff so little in week 2 against the Raiders that he never saw the field in a game until week 13 in Miami and a few snaps in the Pitt game. On the other hand Edwards was for the most part very impressive in his role as a passing down gap splitter. How that translates to duty in the 1st and 2nd and long defense remains to be seen, the one thing for sure is that Krumrie had him going in the right direction all season. Williams over Jennings for sure, Williams is a far better fit in our D than Jonas is in our O, and Jonas should find a number of offenses where his superior pass blocking skills should pay him a BIG premium in FA.

I see- you embrace the BCS/Football Outsiders "system" for one thing and discard it wholly when it comes to their "analysis" of Eric Moulds, their 45th ranked receiver. You and CT will have to sh-- or get off the pot at some point- your continued refusal to admit that even YOU don't believe in their formulas gives you zero credibility in a discussion where you introduced them in the first place. The two of you exemplify exactly the type of fan I contemplated in the original post- willing to dishonestly embrace a portion of a manipulated set of statistics while pretending as if the balance of the manipulated stats don't exist. It's Jim Rome fandom- I see no reason to accept it without pointing it out.

Your problem is the most basic mistake neophytes make when discussing football analysis- you've found a source who supports you in ONE of your postions with their formula for VOA, a contrived system developed and used by them exclusively. It's no different than the BCS, another contrived statistical system used to "determine" the best college teams. There are those who would argue the BCS is a perfect system that is "weighted" to find the best college teams, the vast majority would disagree. On the other hand I've chosen to use pure statistics without any manipulation. I've refused to accept the "BCS" style formula that you've adopted ( but you've adopted it, of course, only to the degree that it supports your position). I've chosen irrefutable stats- Total Defense based upon yards allowed and Total Offense based upon yards gained. Based upon the rank of NFL teams in those categories our offense faced a more difficult schedule than our defense by over 29%. There's no refuting it, anyone can look it up. In fact it's official. But for your argument here's your formula and the tortured explanation for it: Football Outsiders BCS Style Formula The totally disingenuous thing about your position is that although you like PART of what you get from your manipulated statistical anaylisis you refuse other parts of the same system! Your manipulated system rates Drew Bledsoe as the 21st best Quarterback in the NFL while they rate Eric Moulds the 45th best receiver. Moulds is slated to earn more than Bledsoe next year. Are you willing to participate honestly in this conversation by adopting ALL the results of your BCS style stat system and ask for Moulds to be cut or will you continue your selective and dishonest use of a flawed and manipulated statistical analysis that you obviously only embrace when it suits your immediate position? I'll guess you'll continue to "praise" your BCS formula when it leads to your team getting a bowl nod and whine and B word when it doesn't. I on the other hand will just stick to the facts ;-)

Only for Jarheads- for us Squids it's Diego Garcia-

I haven't checked the Police Blotter since I left him in a Carlsbad bar about 4 weeks ago with 3 "full stack" waitresses and a bucket of wings?

'Nawlins is the place to forget any Doctors orders or New Year's resolutions that deal with food. New York and Frisco are monolithic in comparison with NO for exceptional food at every level- whether you're buying a sausage off a street cart, a Ferdi at Mothers or putting on a button shirt to find out what God orders at Delmonico or The Commander's Palace- it seems like every single person involved in food, from the cooks to the wait staff to the bus persons all are proud to be serving you the absolute tastiest sumbitch you've ever had.

It is true. Elway was booed in Denver by a noisy-ass fraction of fans who complained because he was the most sacked QB in history- just before he won 2 Super Bowls.

Here's how you do it- add the final rankings based upon the established statistical measures used by the NFL of our opponents O's and D's and match the numbers against each other. You'll probably want a little help with the math though ;-)

Actually you're completely wrong. I opened with the fact that fans were ignoring the official stats that proved our offense faced a tougher year in '04 than our defense. There's zero weighting of the stats to that position.

The level of competition our offense faced was 29% more difficult based upon the statistical strength of our opponents using the factual and unmanipulated measures of total offense and defense as measured by the NFL. If you don't like it maybe Coach Tuesday can find you your own manipulated stats- just be careful because based on his Eric Moulds is gone next year.

Everything I said in that post is an absolute fact- what is it about facts that you find troublesome other than the fact that they don't support your flawed theory? Oh, and thanks for the admission!

You require manipulated stats to support your faulty conclusion at the onset- and now you desperately try to hide it behind false representations of my original post such as: "YOU are the one who insists that the D got a "free pass," Show me where at any time I said it or suggested it. Anything short of that will be an admission that you are willing to admit falsehoods to support your flawed argment.

And at what point in your life did it become absolutely clear that "my brain is bigger than yours" was an obvious disqualifier for your participation?

"Weighted" means manipulated, the stats from the NFL are pure listings of exactly where O's and D's ended up. Why can't you debate with unmanipulated facts?