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I'm NOT comparing him to #12 but Kelly came into his own when he had to hurry it up and react. EJ's 2 minute drill against the Panthers was a thing of beauty. He can clearly "do it" but as so many have said he wasn't built to do it consistently from day one. Very few of these college QBs are. I'm in the crowd that thinks Moron and Hackett were a large part of the problem. EJ's the antithesis of Geno Smith who has been a pick throwing machine. Our former staff where too much in his ear telling him to err on the side of caution and then yanking him while he was no where near figuring his game out. If Roman's Offense is what it is billed as being, EJ may well flourish. I'd REALLY hate to spend another season watching the "new Orton" MC puke all over the field leaving us in exactly the same situation next year. Ryan has some wiggle room this year. Give EJ his chance and let's see what we have.

Fred is an ALL TIMER as a Bill but the time has come. Whaley has to put on his "Big boy" pants, make the move and take the flak. This board will explode, the crying and whining will be tremendous.......and life will go on. This move is as much about Whaley demonstrating his GM acumen as it is about Fred. and I LOVE Fred!!!!!

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Back during the SB years , we played against The Saints . I believe this was the same year Kelly and Young had the no punt game. Anyhow, The Bills ended up winning a brutal slugfest. The score was like 10-12 or something. The Saints had that 3-4 D with Mill, Swilling , Kirkland(?) and someone else and they were tough. This is back when we used to get killed every year by Pittsburg or KC in a game where we would just get out physicaled. This looked like it would be the same kind of game and the Saints were favored. After the game Kelly got up on the podium, he'd been beaten to hell, and looked it. He said something like, Before I answer questions let me ask one, " Who in here thought we were going to win this game?" A few reporters raised their hands and he exploded at them, " YOU'RE A LIAR, YOU'RE A LIAR AND YOU'RE A LIAR!!!! No one other than us thought we could win this game!!!!!! To this day, I get chills when I remember that presser. That moment epitomized who and what those SB teams where all about. I would kill to find a copy of that post game press conference.

This is my second fav. The first game I ever went to. I was 9 and went with my Dad to shut him up cause he kept bugging me to go to s game with him.

I know this has been discussed elsewhere but Ryan+ Ran+ Shady+ Incognito doesn't necessarily mean a dominant running attack. Where did we rank last year? Can Roman use Shady correctly or is it square peg, round hole? If not, who's the featured power back, Freddy? Bryce, Boobie?I can't imagine the o line doesn't perform better but that doesn't mean they will become world beaters, especially when they are trying to learn brand new blocking schemes. Did Kyle Williams play in the Raiders game last year? How did the D look in that game with ALL the chips on the table. Nothing is a given when a team is trying to reinvent itself.

As I read all these posts about which QB should start, and playoffs here we come , I think we need to remember we are starting from scratch on offense and defense. Both squads will be learning new terminology and play designs as well as new overall philosophies. Last year it took close to half the season for the safeties and DBs to get it together. Our defensive backfield was sketchy during parts of the the first half of the season. On offense, it sounds like they will be doing a lot more pre snap as Roman is a real OC. My guess is he won't be able to install everything this year. If we start off the year with an easy first half schedule, I give us a better chance at the post season but if we have 4-5 tough games on the first eight, we could be one of those teams that others are happy they won't be facing in the playoffs.

This! He is immediately on his way to being a Bill like Freddy,Talley etc. IMO. Moxie, skill, desire, work ethic and leadership skills.

I honestly believe Woods is currently a better receiver than Watkins. I'm not at all happy with the Percy Harvin signing as it will take Woods off the field. In a ball control offense, Woods is the kind of tough nose guy you want out there. Am I the only one who thinks Sammy gos down too easily after first contact? I would have hated losing Woods for McCoy. When I heard about Kiko I didn't even blink. We smoked the Eagles on this deal. SMOKED 'em!!!

Apparently, Marijuana is the new coffee.........Good God man..........

EJ has shown the ability to protect the ball. mayube he needs to learn to force it a little more. Please don't bring up the Watt interception.....S#!) happens. We need a QB who cvan run a ball control offense and hit some play action when it is there. EJ is better than Cassel hands down. My guess is Cassel is here AS a back up. I really wish we had brought in Matt Moore but C'est la vie.

While I still would like to see a formidable run game with EJ handing off, I would take Foles, Then Moore, then Mallett. Bradford is soft. Sanchez is an Older EJ. Cleveland(!?) cut Hoyer and the little I watched of him was enough. It is pointless to draft anyone, they aren't worth the pick we would use. I think we need to own up to the fact that a stud running back and O-linemen would be our best acquisitions this year. And ground and pound is going to be our best chance unless EJ/Free agent pick up turns a corner. I

Absolutely, Watched him with the Panthers and wanted him then. He's a guy who could really surprise in the right offense=Roman's offense. I still am not finished with EJ so it would be s good competition. SOOOOOO happy we didn't get McClown!!!!!!

E.J. .....Behind a rebuilt and properly coached O-line, in a scheme not run by a preschooler at OC. Give him a good running game and let him grow. If Rex could get the NYETs to the AFC championship with Sanchise/ Roman get the 49ers to the playoffs with Kaepernick they can get us to the playoffs with this defense and the skill position players on both sides that we have. I think we all agree the talent is there.

at the old McMahon's restaurant, cooking w/y buddy Jay who was the chef at the time. We made it back to our apt. in time to listen to OT as it wasn't on TV.

When he put Woods in his doghouse this last season. IMO, Woods is the best receiver on this team. maybe sammy toughens up but until then Woods has a burning desire to be good. I don't attribute it to Dougy and whatever mindgames he was trying to play this last training camp. I kinda think Woods spoke his mind to Doug and Mr. Control freak didn't like it. A guess but I bet I'm on to something.

I'm a Carolina fan and I HATED Fox!!!! Many here did. When he was hired by the Broncos I said they would never win a SB with him. Guess who looks like a seer:)

Got a point there. Don't hate Marrone. Think he made a good business decision. Think he was a typical ego maniacal/ chip on his shoulder type. Everything seemed to be a personal slight towards him: Media, GM, Owner, Players(Woods, Urbik, Williams) Always an undertone of me against the world. If he does end up in NY, that should be fun to watch. Especially if he had some short term success followed by a rough patch:) Don't want Reich. Don't want Ryan. Don't know who's out there that I do want. If Polian is coming, I hope he already has his hands in the mix and is helping with the choice. The point about those Levy/Polian era teams is they(FO) worked together as a team with the coaches to create a true TEAM.

I love Frank as a person. If I had a daughter, I would want him as my son in law. He isn't a HC IMO. Can't quantify it. Just don't feel he has the leadership skills. Wouldn't loose it if they got him but would quickly be on him when questionable stuff started to occur.

Kinda like Brady, for a decade. Put him against the Giants pass rush and suddenly Tom Terrific maybe doesn't look quite so good. Unlike Orton , he didn't chuck a bunch of indiscriminate passes to the other team. Again, Watt made the whole O team look like a bunch of fools. Doug"I'm an offensive lineman/Offensive guru" couldn't figure how to protect the poor bastard from that pass rush and blame the rookie QB? Testify, my brother. Awesome points!!! How are RG3, Kapernick, Bortles, Newton etc doing? Here in Charlotte they have repeatedly called for Cams head?! This country(And all fan bases) lack patience and foresight. Just like he knows how to coach up an offense....? Remember Drew Brees in San Diego. He started in his first couple years, on and off, and was TERRIBLY inconsistent. They got River's and traded Brees away. Anyone could have had him, including the Bills and Sean Payton is heralded as brilliant for taking him.....because the 1st and 2nd year QB was an inconsistent suck fest. I'm not calling EJ Brees, just making the point that all of you who are SO positive that EJ can't play need to chill. Especially those of you who thought Orton was a legitimate starter and of any obvious value= Delusional.

No to Cutler!!!!! He's a bum. There is no quick fix. Bringing in another bum to sell "Playoff hopes" is a joke. Old Jamaican proverb,"Hope is nothing but comfort for a fool." Get the most out of what we have. EJ could have accomplished what Orton accomplished. Maybe more but he has to play to get better.

YES!!!!!

I dare you to mention one descent QB who is currently a UFA. I know someone mentioned Sanchez in another post. We have him, younger and cheaper = EJ. The fact is, there are no QBs available, coming available or draft able that are worth giving up picks for. Again, I say ; "This season was a complete waste in terms of playing Orton, missing the playoffs and not getting EJ experience." The only two QBs I would like to see them bring in, CHEAP, are Mallett or Matt Moore. I'm not singing their praises but they are the best/most intriguing of a piss poor lot. I see training camp opening next year with a new OC and Ej in a battle with someone. Who that someone is remains to be seen. If Hackett remains, it won't matter who is under center.

If they enter next season with Hackett and Orton, I will not order the Sunday ticket. I live in Charlotte and did this twice before, Dick Jerkrons first season and his last season. This offense feels worse than those. That is pretty hard to do when you have a defense like this. I don't care if they squeak a bunch of close games out. I don't want to watch an O barf all over the field week after week and that is all those two are capable of doing:(

My point exactly. Watching Orton against the Raiders/Mack was like Ej against Houston/Watt. EJ gets that win we might not be having this discussion. Lord knows Orton has thrown some BRUTAL picks to guys not half as gifted as Watt but he gets to start?! DM reminds me of John Fox and "Jake Delhome gives us the best chance to win" after the 5 pick performance against the Bills....DM had Woods in his dog house, he seems to like who he likes regardless of the facts. Heck, Williams may have gotten the shaft for said reason. Marrone needs to go and EJ needs to start!!!