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    I'm really starting to love this WR room. We quietly got better

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    5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

    Josh has indeed looked great and they are letting him run and take his lumps like they typically have tried to avoid until later in the season.  9 rushes in the opener of the season?   Not ideal.  Subsequently he was injured in the opener.   That's all for another thread.    

    Josh running has never been the problem, IMO.

     

    In fact it would be dumb not to use that ability we have at our disposal.  The problem has been his decision making while running.  A lot of QB's run but don't take the punishment.  He needs to continue to show the awareness to protect himself that he has showed the last two weeks.

     

     

    Back to the point of the WR's, I don't see as many Mack Hollins jokes lately...

     

    I'm really starting to love this WR room. We quietly got better

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    15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

    Thread about WRs- Yet you bring up a take on Spencer Brown to show how someone can have an incorrect take.  Everyone has incorrect takes.  Some are man enough to admit being wrong.  Some are not. 

     

    You agreed with the notion that this is the worst WR unit we’ve had in 40+ years.  That’s in THIS thread.  

    He's a whisker away from bringing up his legendary Robert Royal take

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    Bills vs Jags Game Week Thread - MNF

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    2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    MVS was NEVER on the roster bubble. Despite what fans might have wanted or might have thought. They wanted his deep threat and his vet presence in the room.

    Yep.  And regardless of his effectiveness he at least adds a dimension D’s have to respect.

     

    And why invest in a premium deep threat when it is not something Josh really excels at?  MVS is a nice bargain piece that at least rounds out our skill set 

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    Josh Allen, committed singles hitter (The Athletic)

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    1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

     

    Jauron had an inordinate say into that roster, so he deserves more than his share of blame for those teams.   Of course, it didn't help that those late RW years were notoriously cheap and solid players were replaced with high draft picks.  

     

    Agree on the skilled personnel deficit on offense...which is now being built against Josh's strengths.  

     

     

    This is what you want to believe.

    For example in 2022 according to Warren Sharp's analysis, Josh was t-12th in completion percentage of passes over 20 yards at 38%.  Mahomes was 10th at 41% with Geno Smith leading the league at 49%.  I'd say his accuracy is underrated and yet, still developing.    

     

     

    Brady had better offensive weapons, especially after '07 with Moss, Welker, then Gronkowski, et al. which made throwing short to intermediate passes a whole different advantage.    

     

    It's why I get tired of seeing posters who sympathize with McD's emphasis on a more risk-averse strategy.  Yeah, throwing the ball downfield is more risky than say running it 50-55% and throwing short more.  But it makes you predictable and defenses adapt.    

    Previous seasons we have been among the most pass happy in the league and we were way more predictable and one dimensional 

    Josh Allen, committed singles hitter (The Athletic)

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    19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

    If you want to talk about luck, we were also very unlucky to have so many injuries and the chiefs have so few injuries.

     

    It’s also very difficult to stop the chiefs with a bunch of rag tag backups.  
     

    This is the only difference between the teams.  KC was better in the AFCCG matchup.  Since then we’ve been decimated by key injuries and they’ve remained relatively healthy 

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    Josh Allen, committed singles hitter (The Athletic)

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    1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

    i appreciated the fact that the dorsey 2023 iteration was the only one that deliberately limited his rush attempts

    I've gone back and forth on that.

     

    In theory you clearly want to protect the franchise.  But in those stretches where that was the emphasis the offense struggled.  To the point where the conversation turns to "free Josh" and "they've neutered him."

     

    I think it's a weapon that we would be foolish not to use.  I just wish Josh would be smarter and protect himself a bit more.

    Josh Allen, committed singles hitter (The Athletic)

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    3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

    it's actually the opposite

     

    i submit our last two playoff games vs the Chiefs as evidence. 13seconds we had won w Allen chucking it all over the field but for the defense and ST

     

    last game at home we played small ball and were very lucky that it was within a one score game. the type of pass attack you are advocating for actually leaves you less margin for error, not more...it's very difficult to operate at max efficiency every snap for an entire game

     

     

    I completely disagree.  The Dorsey offense, that you loved, was completely one dimensional and dependent on Josh having a great day to win.  If he had an off day we would likely lose.  13 seconds was an outlier where Josh had a great day and we still lost.

     

     

     

     

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    Josh Allen, committed singles hitter (The Athletic)

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    3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

    Some of us here, have been advocating for this passing strategy for some time now, I guess we are the ones ahead of the curve.  This concept keeps opposing offenses off the field longer and helps wear out the opponent’s defense faster, control the clock and you control the game…, 

    Beyond that, it's just a lower variance approach.

     

    We saw it for years with Brady dinking and dunking down the field.  High flying attacks are exciting but there is more variance in that style.  And when you start talking about a single elimination tournament (the playoffs) I want to minimize variance as one bad game sends you home.

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    Josh Allen, committed singles hitter (The Athletic)

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    23 minutes ago, Rubes said:

    It's also why you gotta hit the big ones when they're available. I'd like to see Josh hit those more...the miss to MVS didn't ultimately hurt, but that's the kind we really need him to hit when it's there.

     

    Despite the big arm he’s never been good at that.  Just doesn’t throw a great deep ball.  Not enough arc which leaves little room for error and doesn’t give the WR as much ability to track 

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