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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5764056/2024/09/12/what-is-nfl-concussion-protocol/?source=user_shared_article What happens when a player appears to suffer a head injury? If a team’s medical staff feels any player is at risk of a concussion, it is required to pull the player to the sideline and into the medical tent for a focused neurological exam. The exam includes a cervical spine exam (including range of motion and pain), an evaluation of speech, observation of gait, and an eye movement and pupillary exam. If the player displays signs of loss of consciousness, gross motor inability, confusion or amnesia, team medical staff are not permitted to let the player return to action. Looking at the testing protocol it is easy to see how and why Allen passed the test so quickly. Yes, this is what the NFL and NFLPA agreed on and I have no reason to doubt that Allen was given the test and that he passed it. No, I cannot say whether Allen lost consciousness or was concussed. But what I can say with confidence is that this process is going to result in concussed players being sent back into games. It looks like it’ll catch some bad concussions and it’ll be good PR, but it’s a joke compared to the NHL’s evaluation. The NFL & NFLPA need to fix it.

Then that’s gonna be especially tough to get good return because Samuel is the only one of the three under contract for 2025.

TD #2 for Davis

The revisionist history by many is what gives away that it is just people crapping on former players. They prop up players as more than they are while they are here and then they crap on them and make them out to be worse than they are after they go somewhere else. Also it’s common for teams that need to rebuild and have a lot of cap space to overpay to get players. Most HAVE to do that to attract free agents. The Bills did it when they rebuilt, but posters thought that was smart. But to them it is stupid when another team does it. It’s just homers being biased homers.

Ouch. I had forgotten that.

I expect Miller to be cut with a post 6/1 designation this next offseason. I’ve expected that to be the case ever since I first saw his contract. I can see Milano being a cut next offseason too. Two straight seasons mostly lost to injury for a player his age is usually it. This one will hurt. Not Tre White bad, but close. He’s also a good candidate for a post 6/1 designation. Oliver isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. His contract and the need he fills are two big reasons. Knox will likely be here in 2025 because his salary is partially guaranteed. He’d be a difficult cut though he could be traded. I do not think you’d have a lot of takers on that due to his salary though. I highly doubt he’ll be here in 2026 though. I hope to see the Bills ramp up spending next offseason, but that’s up to Pegula. And who they spend on is up to Beane and McDermott. Here is OTC’s calculator if you want to mess around with the numbers: https://overthecap.com/calculator/buffalo-bills

My 18 year old daughter literally laughed out loud when she heard that Cook was at Venu. What is a 25 year old NFL player doing at a place that’s mostly 16, 17 & 18 year olds? For those not familiar, Venu is an 18 & over bar that a lot of under 18 year olds with fake IDs go to. Or at least that is what was explained to me. But the funniest thing about this is the story linked by the OP. It starts out “For many years, Buffalo has been famous for its nightclubs and the number of sports stars who like to party in them.” LMFAO For the record, I have no issue with the mistake Cook made on the tab. He forgot and squared up. No big deal.

Really not the worst idea. Same caveat as the other WRs posters here have seriously speculated about - it assumes he becomes available. He plays on the outside, his salary is reasonable to take on and his trade cost wouldn’t be high. He just turned 32 and although he is under contract for next year, it is at a cost I don’t see Seattle, Buffalo or any other team paying him for his 33 year old season. So he’d be a half season rental and it’s possible Seattle will look to get something for him closer to the trade deadline. Just have to wait and see if Seattle keeps sliding and if they want to move him. Same as with Cooper, etc.

While I’m a huge Amari Cooper fan - and I’d love for the Bills to add him - I only see him as a cheap rental for the rest of this season. He’s looking to get paid one last time when he hits free agency this coming offseason and I think he is close to falling off that WR cliff. I’d love for the Bills to eke out the last great football he has left in him though. And I don’t think he’d be that expensive in trade. But I wouldn’t want the Bills to invest a lot of cap space in him either.

I want to address how this will impact the Bills and Allen moving forward, especially Monday night and in the next few games. No one on these boards knows with certainty whether Allen was concussed or if he was knocked unconscious. We can speculate and we all have our opinions on the likelihood of each, but he passed the tests (such as they are) and went back into the game. But here’s the thing: It looked bad. Like really bad. And it got a fair bit of bad press. And we all saw how a very similar situation with Tua played out on the field and in the media. I will confidently say that the league does not want a repeat of that PR nightmare. So if Allen bounces his head off the turf again - especially with so many watching on MNF - don’t expect him to be allowed back in the game. It’ll be Trubiaky Time (shudder). The refs will hopefully get the memo and protect the heck out of him (and old man Rodgers too), but the Jets will be going after him. It’s up to the coaches, his teammates and, most of all, Allen himself to keep him safe and sound. I, for one, will not be complaining about the Bills running the ball too much or Allen throwing it away to preserve his health.

Yup. Both things can be true - and more. I managed to get through the first halves of All 22 on the Baltimore and Houston games. Not only do I think pressure and Allen’s play were issues, I would add the receivers to the list of problems. In fact, they're the biggest issue IMO. Ability to separate used to be the #1 trait the Bills looked for in their WR corps and I think Allen works a lot better on those “see receiver-throw ball” situations versus anticipation throws (though he does a good job with MOF anticipation throws). I’m just not seeing separation on most plays. What is even more concerning is that defenses aren’t even keeping 7 or 8 back in coverage to do it. Receivers are pretty well covered despite seeing a lot of man coverage with a single high safety. It’s allowing defenses to show a loaded fronts where the OL has to determine who is coming and who is bailing. Then we have the added issue of Allen extending plays and taking more hits. He is getting paid large to perform, even in difficult circumstances, but it’s disappointing to see so much piled onto his shoulders. No QB is perfect and putting your elite QB into the best possible circumstances to help your team win should be job 1. The Bills obviously have not done that. They need to get him more help.

I don’t think that the OL was as good as they seemed last year and I don’t think they are as bad as they look this year. The offense has been designed for Allen to get the ball quickly most of the time. That helped the OL look good since they usually didn’t have to block for that long. This season our receivers aren’t getting open quickly so Allen has been holding onto the ball longer. Pass blocking can only hold up so long against NFL defenses. The situation is made worse by teams playing more man coverage and sending blitzers. The Bills need to add some real WR help before Allen takes much more punishment. He’s a big, tough dude, but so are most NFL defensive players. It’s already taking a toll on him.

Unsurprisingly you’ve got this wrong too. You interjected yourself into a discussion I had with another poster and asked about the relevance of my comment. Even though I couldn’t see how it could be unclear or why you’d care, I still clarified it and asked you if you understood it. You didn’t answer and me another question. And you’ve done so again. I’m happy to have a reasonable conversation with a reasonable person, but you’re not one and you’re not here for that. You’re here to push your personal agenda. Which is sad. What you’re trying to accomplish by peppering people you think don’t agree with you with questions while not contributing anything of value yourself is obvious. I have better ways to spend my time than on the likes of you.

That unlikely as he’s only 26. Former 5th overall pick who hasn’t lived up to that overall. Ankle injury this season. Missed the last game for “personal reasons” which might have something to do with him not starting. Or could be something that will keep him out longer. Seems like he wanted to be cut loose by Philly. He was on a one year, $4M deal with $3.5M guaranteed and another $3.5M possible in incentives. He got paid $2.17M of it already. So it doesn’t look like he’d cost much. But my thinking is that he will want assurances that he will get on the field for his new team so he can get paid next season. It doesn’t feel like a move the Bills would make though. He’s more of a fit for replacing Bernard than Williams IMO and that’s no bueno unless he gets injured. So that’s all I’d be watching for.

It’s rude to ask another question when you haven’t answered one already posed to you.

I was responding to the point brought up. The poster mentioned that a loss of consciousness doesn’t necessarily mean that the person has a concussion. I simply stated that if an NFL player is knocked unconscious then they are automatically put into the concussion protocol. What was unclear about that?

While loss of consciousness isn’t a sure sign of a concussion, the NFL’s concussion protocol is to automatically put a player in it if they are knocked unconscious.

yes. both agree on the hires

The independent neurotrauma professional is hired by both the NFL and NFLPA, but other than that…..

Not the case as it happened in Texas.

In the same game they would have automatically reviewed Coleman’s TD. Sure looked like he stepped OOB at least once, but they let it stand.

LOL. Now that’s funny. I’ve seen far worse calls.

Because NFL officiating never makes a mistake?

Now you’re just being silly.

And anyone who understands basic logo can tell you that you throw the challenge flag because the cost to you is zero and the potential benefit is large, even if the odds are small.