BarleyNY

This post is stupid in more ways than I can count. And I've yet to see any compelling evidence that Wilson should be the highest paid player in the game. The fact that he's about the 10-12th best QB in the NFL would make most reasonable people say he shouldn't be.

No mention of any fishing knife or other weapon so far so even brining up one (or any other weapon) is pretty far fetched. You think they're filleting the fish right there in the dark? This crap from a poster who responds to anything said against Kromer with "We don't know for sure what happened! Wait for all of the information to come out before jumping to conclusions!" It's just gotten more and more ridiculous. You gotta go one whole page back for one example.

Wow. This thread has gone Full Retard. Now we have posters citing Stand Your Ground laws and assuming the kids were delinquents fishing in hopes they could stab some passerby with their fishing knives. Over moving some beach chairs. Or Grand Theft Beach Chair, depending on the poster. Some people on this thread need some real psychiatric help.

If I were Pegula, I'd make my decision based on the following: - What happened according to the courts/police - Discussion with Kromer about the incident (only after it is finished in the courts) and if I thought he was honest with me regarding it - Discussion with the other coaches and players regarding his value to the Bills, how he fits with the team and the impact of the incident on how he is viewed by those he works with.

Yes. Thus the claim of self defense. Especially the ones out fishing at 11:00 at night - and moving beach chairs. Bad apples, all of them. Always looking for trouble.

He's already admitted to punching the minor. Name one other possible defense. One last point of clarification - what I posted is how this is very likely to go down. I'm not advocating jumping the gun. The legal situation needs to play out first. If new information comes to light, obviously it needs to be considered.

Meh. Sometimes people jump the gun (Duke lacrosse team) and sometimes calls for patience and more information are just the only thing someone on the wrong side of an argument has left (tobacco industry). At some point you've got to make a call on something even if it always has an asterisk indicating there might someday be cause to change your mind/stance. Enough has come out on this that Aaron Kromer looks really freaking bad. The addition of charges against his son doesn't help his case at all. I'm not sure what else can come out to exonerate him either. The self defense claim is lame. Besides the size and age difference between him at the minor he punched, I'd love to hear his explanation of the situation. How it was so dark he couldn't see the size or approximate age of the minors, but was able to correctly identify his chairs and connect his fist with one of their faces. It just doesn't make much sense. He'll likely get a fine from the county and maybe a short parole. He is unlikely to spend any time in jail at all. As for his NFL job, he's probably going to get fired (which is exactly what would happen to an expendable player) although he might skate by with a lengthy suspension. As has been often stated, working in the NFL is a privilege. People lose that privilege for stuff like this.

Zach's action could have been anything from aggression toward the kid to trying to keep him from getting punched by his dad too. Or anything in between. It really doesn't change anything regarding Aaron Kromer.

Aaron Rogers and JJ Watt. How can you not love watching Watt play?

Yeah. At the time of year when there are the most players to coach the Bills are down an important one. Plus it's in an area where working together as a team is important and where there has been a lot of turnover. That sucks. Hopefully the players and some other coach(es) step up. If I was an assistant OL coach on the Bills I'd be looking at TC as an opportunity to interview for the OL coach position. Now that I think about it, that's another reason not to move on from Kromer just yet. Once the Bills do (assuming they do) it would be best if they could immediately give their direction, whether that's a promotion or just that they're setting up interviews very soon. Minimizing uncertainty is a sign of a well run organization.

That's BS. If you need to way overstate the opinions of people critical of Kromer to make them seem unreasonable then you're out of good arguments.

Feel free to point out any posts that stated that. I remember exactly none.

The details do matter. The problem is that the more of them we get the worse it looks for Kromer. If a 6'4", 215 pound man had punched my 5'8", 140 pound minor son in the face over moving his deck chairs you can bet him getting arrested and fired would suit me just fine.

Funny how no one in Buffalo thought so until he got traded.

I read the whole text exchange between Incognito and Martin. Incognito came off as a terrible person and a total scumbag, but I honestly didn't see bullying. But he still looked to be a terrible person and a total scumbag. That's backed up by him wearing out his welcome everywhere he's been through college and the NFL. Two colleges parted ways with him (out of two) and two of three NFL teams dumped him. The only one that didn't was the Bills and he played all of three whole games here then wasn't re-signed. He's a pretty damned good choice for someone to be ashamed of.

Crap. It looks like that projected Dareus contract of 6 years, $105M total with $55M guaranteed from the article in your original post is pretty dead on. Perhaps it could be done as an extension.

It probably came out when further interviews were done. It's pretty minor compared to the punching which is where the focus likely was.

The incident happened at 11:30 pm. The arrest happened at 1:30 am. No, they won't. The BS about them "stealing" the cars is justification by Kromer. He went out looking for the people responsible for repeatedly moving his chairs to the beach. He knew they weren't being stolen, but he was mad they were being moved. He also said he felt threatened in the dark and couldn't see who was there, but did manage to identify his chairs and make contact with a kid's eye in the same darkness. Witnesses don't indicate that the kids were drinking that night, but at least one said that Kromer was. as more and more facts and reports roll in, Kromer looks worse and worse.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

This is the first big issue of this sort for the Pegulas. It'll be interesting to see how they handle it. They haven't done anything rash so that's a good sign. We will see where it goes in the days to come.

Except that there have been no reports of physical aggression (or even retaliation) by any of the minors. If one had even attempted to hit Kromer (or his son) we would know about it by now. As for any of the kids mouthing off, etc. we haven't really heard about that either, but that's not pertinent to the discussion anyway. That's because a kid mouthing off to an adult doesn't give cause for the adult to punch the kid, push him down and throw his fishing pole into the ocean. Even if the kids were using his chairs without permission and even if they were going to leave them on the beach instead of returning them. You still can't punch somebody over that - especially a minor. And this discussion doesn't even get into whether or not Kromer threatened the kids and their families.

Everything I stated makes perfect sense and is the only reasonable way it could have happened. There's no way that Kromer's son sticks around to help the kids if they were aggressive verbally or physically at any point in the confrontation. Even if Kromer started it and the kids responded in kind there's no way he sticks around and there's no way his dad would have let him if he was in any danger. The "punk" assumption is pretty stupid as well. What are the odds a bunch of troublemaking punks are fishing with lines in the water? Yeah, they were just looking for trouble.

As facts come to light the outlook for Aaron Kromer is not improving. That he punched one minor in the eye and pushed him to the ground doesn't seem to be in question. Nor does that he threw one of the minor's fishing poles in the ocean. That's not good. It sure doesn't paint a picture of a guy who was in control of his emotions. That the minors were using Kromer's chairs isn't in debate either. Kromer has alleged self defense, but hasn't made any specific allegations against the minors. I'd have to think that if one had hit him we'd know about it by now, so that's out. After Kromer hit the minor, his son stayed to help the minors try to get their fishing rod back so it makes no sense to think the minors were even threatening anyone (much less attacking anyone physically). If they had, there's no way he'd have stuck around to help them. This is bad.

Where do you get top 10? First Google hit was PFF, 15th last season. Not that 15th is bad. I was actually surprised it was that high. Chicago had a horrible OL for many years leading up to that.https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/08/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings/3/ Edited to add: Football Outsiders had them 15th in run and 18th in pass. Still, they had been horrible. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Could be a lot of things. I'll go with what the team's statement will be "We're aware of the incident and are collecting information about it." That's fair in this case.