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You mean an old, very highly paid QB that can't stay healthy. I'm happy to see that the "No!" votes swamped the "Yes" votes.

I agree on not labeling them. (I did not vote.) There's big a difference between calling out a move or decision as terrible and labeling a person as terrible at what they're doing. The Pegulas screwed the pooch here, but that doesn't mean they won't learn from it, move on and be better next time. That's what I'm hoping for.

The team is their property to run as they see fit, within the limits of the league's rules. No question. But by bypassing the head coach and meeting with the players (without the coach present) the Pegulas have undermined their coach. That will be a huge issue for every decent potential head coaching candidate once the inevitable firing of Rex occurs. Not to mention that he's got to coach these players for at least the immediate future. It was a shockingly Bush League move by the Pegulas.

It's difficult for any short QB to throw OTM. Brees is a big exception, but his accuracy and timing are impeccable. Even he still needs a very strong interior line to open passing windows and prevent interior push from the defense. It takes a lot of practice for receivers and QBs to get the timing down too. A secondary issue might be TE usage. I promised myself that I'd keep an eye on the TEs to see if they were blocking and/or chipping a lot in passing downs. Honesty, I haven't done as much of that as I planned because I haven't been able to bring myself to rewatch the first two games, but from what I did notice keeping a TE in to block on passing plays seemed pretty common. The coaches might not be asking Taylor to throw a lot of OTM passes because they don't think he can be effective doing that and they might need a TE to stay in to block because of RT play.

Feel free to blast the team for mismanaging EJ's development. I sure have in the past. And feel free to blast fans that think the team did a good job with him, because that's not how you develop a QB. I have no idea what EJ would be like as a player with better development, but the damage has been done, as you say. We agree again. But if you want someone's opinion on a tangential line of thought, ask for it instead of assuming. That way you're ripping the right people. The question here wasn't if EJ was properly developed or if that was fair to him, it was whether or not EJ would re-sign with the Bills. My answer was that there was almost no chance and I gave valid reasons for that opinion. I've yet to see anyone give a reasonable scenario where he stays. Honestly, if you were him would you stay on a team that mismanaged your development, benched you for years and has gone through multiple coaches in your tenure?

I didn't see anyone say he was the worst QB in the NFL. I sure didn't. (Funny seeing you post that accusation and then refer to yourself as rational.) The opportunities EJ was or wasn't afforded are no longer germane to the discussion. The pertinent questions are:1) At this point is EJ a good enough QB to want on the team next season? 2) If he is, could we keep him? The answers are "almost certainly not" and "even if he does turn out to be worth keeping, he won't want to stay here anyway."

I feel ya, bro! Married a Stillers fan myself. She's a big football fan too. Been a brutal stretch since '97 in that regard. I hate the Stillers even more than the Cheatriots. Have fun at the game and in town.

Wow, playing the "Real Fan" card. That's an exceptionally douchey move. Pretty much every rational Bills fan would only want players on the team that could help the team win. That would preclude EJ. It's too bad because he seems like a decent guy and finding a true FQB would have been monumental for the Bills. But, sadly, it was not to be. And most of us can see that.

It was talked about a bit here and there in other threads. Some recap from what I remember/think: - Taylor's passing stats through 2 games are pretty similar to his from last season, except for his QBR which is notably lower this season. - His rushing stats are down from last season. - Most have concluded that he's trying to be more of a pocket passer than last season (either of his own volition or due to coaching/play calls), but that he's been pretty much exactly the same as last season as a passer. Him being "the guy" through the whole offseason hasn't resulted in the growth we've hoped for.

Yeah, I'd think a 3 man rotation at Sam and Will is the answer.

Why would the Bills want a guy the other 31 teams don't want? In the remote possibility that he plays and plays well this season, he'll have other viable suitors he will almost certainly prefer. In the likely possibility that he doesn't play well or at all, then re-signing him will be a mistake.

Their likely course of action would be to sign a FA vet QB and then draft a QB to go along with Cardale. EJ re-signing with the Bills would probably only be in play only if neither could find another option. That's incredibly unlikely. The problem with that scenario is that EJ is a free agent after the season. The Bills would have to be his preferred option. That means there'd have to be no hard feeling about all the benching and being relegated to #2 for three straight seasons. The Bills also would have to compete for him on the open market. The odds of all that happening are incredibly long.

Pretty much a zero chance of EJ being a Bill next season. He will want to move on and the Bills will want to move on. The definite possibility of a new regime wouldn't help his cause. They'd want to pick their own QB. And, quite frankly, I can't see any reason that any Bills fan would want to see him here next season - unless it's been so long since they've seen him play that they forgot what that looks like.

As mentioned already, Taylor doesn't have the size to run much. Running needs to be a bonus feature for him, not a staple. There's also the matter his contract. The Bills need to know if he has the ability to be a pocket and designed roll out passer - and they only have this season to do that. So far, not so good on that.

There are definitely personnel issues, but scheme is a big part of it too. The Ryan Way typically puts a ton of pressure on the CBs. Elite CBs used to be able to be effective in that situation, but current rules have made that impossible. The Ryans never adapted to the new rules. Their inflexibility, cluelessness and, quite frankly, arrogance in this regard is mind boggling.

Agreed. Banner's pick as GM for Cleveland was Mike Lombardi. Lombardi was probably the most hated GM the Browns ever had because he ran the team into the ground in the late 80s and early 90s. Banner brought him in to be the GM despite backlash from fans and from within the organization. The hatred of his most important hire was so bad that he had to pretend that GM wasn't going to be Lombardi's role and initially gave him a different title. Lombardi lasted one season in which he not only took Barkevious Mingo 6th overall, but actively tried to trade up higher to be sure he got him. Banner was moved out with him. The man is probably the worst possible hire for Czar, aside from Lombardi.

That is NOT what I said. What you've done is intentionally exaggerate what I said to make my statement seem unreasonable. What I actually said was that Whaley has been a mixed bag and that he hasn't done well enough to keep his job if the Bills badly falter and there is a housecleaning.

This has been my fear since about 6 games into last season. Just enough time for Rex to dismantle a talented, highly performing defense.

Whaley has been a mixed bag, but he's had enough missteps that he's going to go with Rex. He wasn't a Pegula hire and I see them cleaning house.

Read what I wrote. I said that no one was ripping him LAST SEASON because the offense exceeded expectations. He got ripped after the opener THIS season (and rightfully so for that game). Sure there's going to be some people overreacting to one game. His offense performed much better in game 2 and I didn't see a big call for his head. Everything wasn't 100% fixed, but it got a lot better. And his unit did well last season. Meanwhile Rex's defense sucked last season (after having been excellent the season before) and sucks this season despite burning pretty much a whole draft on it. The vast majority of the vitriol has been rightfully directed at Rex. The good news is that scapegoating Roman is a sure sign of how hot his seat is. I feared that his tenure would last at least through next season, but now it looks like he will be lucky to last the rest of 2016.

I was shocked at Chris Palmer's hire. His prowess destroying QBs is so horrible that I actually use his name as a verb. Getting "Chris Palmered" means to ruin a promising QB by playing him too early and with a poor supporting cast, particularly a terrible OL. He only got the Browns job when they came back because no viable candidate wanted it. The league didn't want a repeat of the Jax and Carolina expansion when those teams made championship games in their second seasons so they dialed the expansion perks way back. As for Roman, he's obviously a scapegoat here. Rex's defense had worse problems - including not getting plays in on time, scheme issues and lack of production - and they lasted the whole season. Then, after giving up 37 point to Fitz and the Jest, he fires the OC? Please. He felt pressure to make a move and he's leading the defense so he only had one choice. I'm sure it didn't bother him that firing that guy removed the only real option to replace him as HC.

There's was very little, if any, ripping on Roman around here regarding last season. People seemed to be pretty happy with him because the offense exceeded expectations in 2015. People were upset with the play calling and lateness of play calls in week one, but I didn't see anyone calling for his dismissal. It's fair to note that the defensive play calls were consistently late last season, the defense substantially underperformed and Rex has been getting heat for that. Roman looks like a scapegoat right now. There aren't many here who think that Roman was a bigger issue than Rex so, no, not a lot of people think this'll really help - except that it means Rex's seat is blazing hot and this is a step closer to his dismissal.

I said "He's out." when I saw him go limp. It definitely looked like Taylor lost consciousness. Not saying he did, just that it sure looked like he did.

On a more serious note, firing the only guy who might be able to take over for you midseason is a veteran move.

Totally deserved it. Giving up 37 point to Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Jests was totally inexcusable.