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QB, S, CB, RT, WR & best value of S/CB/TE/DT

It is in line with the traditional draft value chart, but teams rarely give up such a high quantity of picks for a single pick. It just screams that the writer said "The Bills have a bunch of needs and I've got a lot of players I like, so I'll just engineer a trade that'll make it all happen."

Especially when teams need to have 3 starting CBs and a 4th who is at least competent due to the heavy passing in today's NFL. Nickel is the new base defense. I really don't see it happening. I expect one or two CBs to get drafted by the Bills, but not with 10. McD's Cover 3 doesn't need elite talent at CB to be effective. I'm not a Peppers fan. He just looks like a guy who did well in college, but doesn't really have a home in the NFL. Not big enough to be a LBer and not good enough in coverage to be a safety or even a LB/S hybrid. He's exactly the opposite of what you'd want for that.

So.........you're just figuring out that most fans have unrealistically high assessments of their teams' off-season moves? Well okay then.

I'd like to personally thank the Bills for making McD the voice of the franchise. He has been handling it well since getting here. Whaley was brutal in that capacity.

It's about winning. It worked in baseball in that it made the A's competitive with large market teams. They got close several times. Then the large market team, Boston, implemented the same system and won the WS. Then pretty much every team copied them and uses its own variant of it. So now using "Moneyball" analytics is standard practice in baseball so you don't hear anything about teams gaining an advantage with it, but they're all doing it.

I agree with this in general. I'm staying put and turning in the card if someone like Hooker, Adams, Davis or Allen falls to 10. My only concern would be if something is significantly medically wrong with Allen. I think the Bills might trade out if it's Lattimore that falls though. As much as I like him, he's got injury concerns of his own and I doubt that CBs are all that highly valued in McD's defense. It's a deep CB draft too. A guy who can play bail in Cover 3 can be found later.

Grew up in Cleveland and spent my whole life between there and Columbus. Moved to B-lo 5 years ago this summer. I'm 48 now and I'll always root for my Cleveland teams and Ohio State, even the Blue Jackets a little athough I'm not a huge hockey fan. We are definitely a football family. My wife grew up in Pennsylvania and is a Steelers and Penguins fan. My son follows me rooting for Cleveland teams, but my daughter keeps switching allegiances for football. We all root for the Buckeyes and the Cavs, but when we moved we decided to all root for our new home's teams too. I always had good feelings for Buffalo's teams anyway. The Kelly era Bills were so much fun to watch, I loved watching Hasek play for the Sabres and the Bisons were the Indians AAA team for a long, long time. Plus there was definitely a simpatico feeling for the two cities' droughts. So I'm not sure what I did past life to wind up rooting for the Browns AND the Bills, but I'm pretty sure it was a lot worse than what you did.

Washington's color rush unis are garish. That's one I'll give to Snyder. Don't blame him at all.

Yeah, Shaq's first season was going to be a washout due to his injury. It's not a surprise that he wasn't going to make an impact. He missed all of training camp and half of the season. He couldn't be in shape when he got back and he didn't even have a single NFL practice under his belt until after he came back from his injury. Let's hope the experience he gained by getting on the field helps him in 2018. It's not really a stretch to see him as a breakout player. He should be productive if used properly. He's best suited to be a strong side DE. He should be a quality player that is stout against the run, can set the edge and can bring some pass rush too. He's not a Mario Williams kind of player though, he'll have to work for his sacks - or he schemed to get them. Ragland is a guy I'm less enthused about. I hope he's more than a two down backer, but I'll need to see it to believe it.

Obi Melifonwu. Safety from UConn. 6'4" with 4.40 speed. Will be a steal in second round for a team that is looking for a safety that can cover TEs. Pretty sure that having him on the field would come in extremely handy with the TEs in our division.

Reading "your and idiot" will always make me chuckle.

If the Browns are willing to give up pick #12 and a 2nd rounder, then they can get up well above 10 for that. That's the big issue with that trade. Here's a good, interactive version of the standard draft chart: http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=Cle

Agreed. He obviously way overreacted to the situation, but the fact of the matter is that the woman attacked his head/face/neck area while his hands were in his pockets. The single punch he threw looked reactive, not premeditated or aggressive - and he didn't follow that with any further punches/kicks/etc. Still, he wasn't in any real danger and to fracture four bones in the woman's face was way, way, way past reasonable defense/reaction. That's definitely a real issue, but it's not the issue some are trying to portray. Reasonably I think he goes late 3rd, early 4th. He has Steelers or Patriots comp pick written all over him.

Literally no one said Dak was anything like Tebow. Not one writer. Dak was in a special scenario where he could excel. That O-line was easily the best in the NFL and it regularly gave him a ton of time. Zeke took pressure off of him by being a top back and then there's Witten, Dez and the rest of the skill players on offense. Dak is not nearly that successful anywhere else.

Thank God. About time the NFL took a stand on the important issues.

As for Trubisky, I pass on him. The more I see of him, the less I like him. I just see a lot of wishful thinking. I don't even see the raw talent of several other QBs. He'll probably go fairly early in this draft, but it'll be a mistake by the team that takes him. Just my 2¢. LOL. I fully acknowledge that I could be wrong and you could be right on Trubisky. I can't get past his throwing motion. I can't want a QB with that. I just see too many potential issues there for 10th overall.

I don't want him even more after hearing this.

The major problem your trades is that they are unrealistic. Teams would move up further if that's what they'd be willing to give up. Cleveland should be able to get to 4 with the package you suggest. Some team picking between 4 and 9 would make that deal before it got to Buffalo at 10.

Thanks! Gilmore is worth his contract to a team that'll use him in the right scheme where he can press and have help over top (like Cover 2). Woods is, well, a pretty big projection. It's been said repeatedly here that Watkins would have much better stats if the Bills passed more. Well, the Rams are gambling that such is the case with Woods. He certainly seems competent, but he's definitely getting paid above that level now.

Top 10: 1. QB 2. WR2 4. CB1 3. RT 4. S 5. CB3 6. WR3 7. TE 8. DT 9. LB 10. OG

Thanks! Good point on the value of the signing the Bills did make.

It probably makes sense in the context of McD's predominantly Cover 3 scheme to not spend big on CBs. From a difference maker standpoint we lost one in Gilmore and didn't replace him with another player of that caliber. The Hyde signing was our best get in FA. He rates between Gilmore and Woods. Beyond that it's mostly depth and stopgap players. Still, they'll be some of this sort of thing when a new scheme is implemented and the cap is pretty tight. Definitely some holes left to fill, but Whaley did a good job for the situation he (at least partially) put himself in.

I agree. There's different ways to look at the question. Biggest bust? Williams. He's a guy that was supposed to be great, but never amounted to anything in the NFL. Then there are WTF?!?! moments. Maybin. That was just a stupid pick. Also Whitner deserves an honorable mention if we are talking about reaches. I can blast the Bills for the last two, but they just got unlucky with Williams. That at least made sense when it happened.

Sure would be a nice bonus if Listenbee panned out.