BarleyNY

Not a bad way to go next season. For this season we're looking at a bridge QB and a day one or two draft pick.

I'm giving Gundy the benefit of doubt here. I'm assuming this thread was a joke.

You're right. Taylor hit Clay in the end zone on 4th down and 6 from the 7 for the TD. That put the Bills up by 3. I remembered that the Bills went up by 3, but was wrong about how. I'll revise my previous post.

You don't know what you're talking about. Vick was not a great QB, but his prime was about 8-10 years long and he was way better than Taylor at passing and rushing. Vick had over 1k rushing yards one season and 900 another. Seriously, you should educate yourself so you aren't so laughable and so you don't have to use so many ghost accounts.

I can't imagine why you think he's grown, or how. If he's auditioning for anything, it's a shot at making another roster.

They were down by 4. It was 3rd down and three from the four. Tyrod went out at the 7 for a 3 yard loss. Trying to win the game at that point means running as much time off the clock as possible. All he had to do was stay in bounds if he couldn't get to the 1. It was a bad mistake that I explained it to my son when it happened. I told him that Taylor should have stayed in bounds and that he just saved Miami 24 seconds. If that extra time lets Miami score and the Bills lose the game, then the loss is on him. And that's how it worked out.

No. And I wouldn't hit him with the tag even if we could. But I don't think it was a terrible contract by Whaley. He paid Taylor a little more this season to get his extension in place, as a sign of good faith for his progress to that point and to show the rest of the team that the FO supported him. If Tyrod was worth a franchise tag, then he'd be worth the extension. He's not. He didn't develop and he's not going to. It's time to move on because even keeping him on as a bridge or back up won't work. Too many problems come with trying to do that with a former starter. It's over for him here. I wish him well in his future endeavors.

1:32 left in regulation. Miami had used their last time out the play before. Tyrod went OOB at the Phins 7. Carp kicked a FG on next play. Taylor's failure to stay in bounds almost certainly cost the Bills the game. Miami had 1:20 left in the game after FG, KO and return. Had he done his job on that play, then the Phish would've only had 0:56 to score. They kicked the game tying FG with :06 left.

The game might matter in a big way. Taylor's contract bonus next season is guaranteed for injury so if he had a bad one and couldn't pass a physical before his bonus date, then the Bills would have been on the hook for about $30M. No sense in risking that.

(Sigh of relief)

If Cowher is smart enough to coach an NFL team, then he's smart enough not to coach an NFL team.

1. Telling us to just look at base salary is either intentionally misleading or incredibly stupid. It's $40.5M deal over 2 seasons. 2. I'm okay with moving on from any QB who clearly isn't the answer, especially at $20M+ a season. Taylor falls into that category. In the likely event that a potential FQB can't be signed in FA, then a similar talent at QB can be found more cheaply and a QB with potential can be drafted. 3. That is really a stretch. A quality QB would be helping this offense with a much better passing attack. Taylor does help a McCoy-led #1 ranked rushing attack, but his help in the passing game isn't up to par with what a quality playoff team needs. And his total contributions don't add up to what he is under contract for starting next season. No, it's not my money, but there is a salary cap. Overpaying Taylor wastes money that could be better utilized elsewhere.

Yup. Or doing most anything. Gotta pick your shots better than that. Osweiler's deal with Houston is a good example of a team reaching for a mirage.

Benched for suckitude

Couple more wins with a good coach. The Bills have some good talent overall, but still need a quality QB. A better coach and QB and the Bills could be quite good. But those are two things that are very difficult to acquire.

Agreed. The ability to run is a wonderful extra for a QB, but if that QB doesn't do well with the regular QB stuff then it doesn't really matter.

I'm just picturing the South Park Little League Championship game.

Yup. Next Tuesday at the latest.

Pretty much this. I think Jones and draft pick have to take the job from Foles tho. He comes in as starter. That'd be a selling point to get him here too. He'll be the best FA QB on the market (not that it's going to be a high bar).

That general situation of a HC taking a demotion to coordinator of the same team is incredibly rare. The only example I can think of is Fickel at tOSU stepping back after one season for Meyer - and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that was all planned. Then there's the question of why you'd even want it to happen. Zero chance, thankfully.

I'd wager that Jax fans would refer to two plays that the Jags got hosed on in that game. An obvious PI that didn't get called on a long pass down near the goal line probably cost them 7. Then Bortles got a head shot late in the 4th that didn't get called. A personal foul probably gets them a FG. That's likely 10 points and they lost by 7. My point was that many fans from many teams look only at the games they could've won, but didn't. But they fail to look at the ones they could've lost just as easily. It's just homerism and whining. I didn't predict a losing season. I predicted a season of about 8-8. That's because the Bills are an average team overall. They are right on track to finish 8-8, which is exactly average. 9-7 wouldn't have surprised me. Even 10-6 was achievable. But when you're average that means you need a lot to go your way. Sometimes that happens, but usually not. And it doesn't do you much good if you do make it to the playoffs. Plus there was the chance that Tyrod would take a step forward. That would have made me revise my prediction. But it didn't happen. We got an average season from an average team. It's sad to listen to some fans whine about how the Bills were sooooo close to being a playoff team. As if getting lucky in the regular season would mean they're better than they are or that they could hang with the Patriots, Steelers or other playoff teams. Please.

This is where I was until recently. And you're right in that Taylor is good enough that the Bills could potentially make the playoffs next season or in 2018. But he is not good enough to win against the other teams that also make the playoffs. And he's not going to get better. That's just not good enough for me. I move on from him, Rex and the FO. The Bills can tear it down now or the can have two or three more seasons that look a lot like this one and then tear it down. They're better off just getting it over with.

Can we talk about Tyrod running out of bounds at the end of the 4th quarter and saving 24 seconds of clock so that Miami had enough time to get down the field and kick the game-tying FG? When he did that I pointed it out to my son. I said that if that gives the Dolphins enough time to score and the Bills lose, then his mistake cost them the game.

And I'd like to congratulate Tyrod on his first 300+ yard passing game (although it did take an OT for him to get it). But if you want to play the "what about this game?" game, then I can point to a number where he wasn't so good. I'll wager that if we went back and fourth you'd run out long before I would.

I was a member of the reserved-to-retaining-Tyrod-because-we-don't-have-a-better-option crowd, but that ended weeks ago. TT should not be retained except at high end backup money. That's his level of play - and his level of play isn't going to get better. He is what we're seeing this season and that's what he'll be the next two or three seasons if the Bills pick up his option. I am not up for that.