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Sorry about that. My bad. You're probably correct. Then the real issue is whether or not TT can be serviceable running the scheme that will be used going forward. There can be some significant development of the rest of the offensive players that will be here long term if he - or another QB on the roster - can do that.

Another tantrum thread started because the Bills traded Watkins. Super. Awesome contribution to the board.

Wow. Totally disagree with that assessment. I was expecting much better from your post and the article. He did well improvising and threw well on the run, but his work in the pocket was not good. His footwork is a mess, he moved around but not well. He did well with quick throws like screens, but much of his success was with stuff that won't work with starters on the field, He's got a long way to go. I hope he sees the field this season because that'll improve our draft pick from them.

Couple of good points here. I strongly suspect the posters whining about the Sammy trade won't have much to say about either.

Might be that the coaches are challenging TT in order to find out if he can be a long term answer at QB. If he can't do what they want, then they still might tailor the offense to fit him in the regular season. If he doesn't markedly improve and they don't do that, then he won't be starting here for long this season.

Happy birthday! I hope you're doing something special today.

I'd add that even his footwork was inconsistent in that game. I never really watched it before and I couldn't stop once I started. It was good more often than not but it was poor too often for an NFL starter. That said, Peterman had some similar issues too. I hated watching him throw off his back foot. He has to get the ball out - even if it's a throw away - rather than do that. Tyrod better hope Peterman doesn't fix those issues before the bye or game 5 might be it for him.

Not really. It's solid production. I'd be disappointed if my #1 WR turned in that kind of performance. But I'd be very happy if my #2 did it.

Taking the best case scenario as who a player is would be a horrible way to run a team. I can't tell you how many times people say things like "I'd take a healthy Sammy Watki s over..........". There's that qualifier so often. But you don't see it with those he's compared to because, you know, you don't need to. It's part of the package with him until he proves it isn't. Also you're flat out wrong on the stats. 1k receiving yards would've ranked him 25th last season between Kenny Britt and Davante Adams. Are you telling me that they're elite receiver's? Or that 25th best is elite? Sorry. And that's not even his average season total. He's well below that.

The new offense requires TT to do exactly what he isn't good at - throwing accurate anticipatory timing throws. It's to an almost whole new receiving corps, Clay aside. I'll give him that. But if early returns are an indication of the season in general, then we will be seeing Peterman.

Cherry picking is weak. 3 seasons, 37 games, 153 catches, 2,459 yards and 17 TDs. Those are solid stats, it they're sure not elite. Even in his best season he barely broke 1k yards. That's not enough for a #1 WR so yes, its underperforming for that. He's obviously got talent, but he doesn't have the production to match. He very well might change that this season. It's his contract year so I'd bet he will do everything he can to produce. He'll probably have his best season yet. But I do not want any part of him long term because I expect him to be way overpaid with his second contract. I'm glad we aren't the ones that are going to give it to him.

Wow. An eight game run two seasons ago. You've just proved my point. No one knows if his foot is fully healed and whether or not it can stand the rigors of a full season. It's certainly a risk. And until he can produce consistently he is what he is: A highly talented, but under productive WR.

Couple issues with that. 1) Either injuries that he has played through have prevented him from producing more or he's not as good enough to warrant a big contract. And don't give me BS about it being scheme or QB. No OC leaves the kind of yards we're talking about on the field because the just feel like running the ball. Also WRs have done much better with much worse at QB. Hell, Josh Gordon led the league a few seasons ago in 14 games with hot garbage at QB for the Browns. 2) The only way to keep him from getting the free agency after this season was going to be the franchise tag. Sometimes going to go crazy and break the bank for him, but it'll be a big risk. It will probably be done by a team with a regime that is in trouble and won't have to deal with the mess if it blows up. This regime doesn't have to take that kind of risk at the present time.

If this regime was willing to sign Watkins to a big contract even with a healthy, productive season then they'd have kept him. They moved on because they didn't like the risk (and/or attitude). It's over. On a side note, Sammy fans seem to be getting through the stages of grief at a decent clip.

Darby did not make the Pro Football Writers Association writer's short list for DROY runner ups (top 6), but he did win PFF's DROY award outright. Notably, Gaines was named to by the PFWA to their All Rookie team.

I'm sure they'd do that and probably even kick back a day 3 pick. They seem to be preparing to move on from him.

I'd be the they'd move Haden, but would not be interested in Ragland. No place for him on Greggg's defense.

Stuff like that gets overplayed every year. "Look who's working out together" articles are nice fluff pieces, but rarely amount to anything on the field. Besides, it was highly unlikely that either was going to be here after this season anyway.

The HC just chose his GM a few months ago. They're on the same page. As for competing, I'm not convinced that the Bills are any better or worse right now than they were right before the trades. They swapped a more talented, but less productive WR for a less talented, but more productive one. They traded a man coverage corner who had one good and one bad year for a zone corner that had one good, one injured and one bad year. Makes sense seeing as how we are a zone team this season. Plus they picked up draft capital in the process. You know, they might actually be better off in the short term and long term now that I think about it. Hey, they did do both.

What if they've been told to build for the long run and for an eventual SB run rather than to expend capital to push to be one of 5 or 6 teams with a shot at a WC spot and an early playoff exit in the short term?

That's incorrect. One of the fundamentals of the WCO is replacing some of the running game with short passes. But that isn't the whole system. Another fundamental is the use of Hi-Lo concepts in the passing game. A vertical threat comes in pretty handy for that.

Maybe. Still, it is odd to hear - especially from both. McD sure doesn't seem like a guy who'd let players slide on being out of shape.

/thread If it's such a chore to for him or others to play now, they're free to retire.

4.45 forty for Zay. Sammy ran a 4.43. Hopefully Zay adjusts to the NFL quickly. He certainly has the speed to play on the outside as an X. Whoops. Didn't see that you slready covered Jones.

Amen. Pegs going with Wrex and his 3-4, 2-gap read and react scheme while the team was already sitting pretty with Schwartz's top defense that played an attacking 1-gap 4-3 was a horrific mistake. Just Bush League.