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Running is a very nice extra for a QB, but to highly rate one that player should be an effective and efficient passer. Chubb was PFFs highest rated RB overall, not just rookie RB. Allen wasn’t a well rated QB. He has shown flashes - and that’s great wrt giving fans hope - but it isn’t the same as being good at his job (yet). It’s that simple. I’ll take the guy who did his job the best.

Wow! Are you really using a QB’s rushing stats to judge that player? Just wow. Sure positional importance/difficulty should be favored in, but if you’re going to do that then you really need to judge a player on their primary job.

It’s not. You should watch him play. He earned that ranking.

7 games as full time QB. Still, it’s difficult to think that ranking is reasonable.

I’d be it has to do with snaps played. Ward has a much bigger sample size and that should sure count for something. Notably PFF had Nick Chubb as the RB with the best rating. He was first not only amongst rookies, but all RBs. Barkley was ranked 2nd among rookies and 3rd among all RBs. Yet Barkley is 1st on the list above and Chubb is 9th. That’s likely because Barkley has twice the touches that Chubb had. PFF noted exactly that when they named Barkley the best rookie RB.

Check out Ryan Clark’s video on ESPN. It seems like the Steelers have done a good job of keeping his antics in house. http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/25660913

I have to disagree. Brown has been a tremendous WR to be sure, but what are you buying and for now much? A first? More? Two seconds maybe? That's for a guy that'll be 31 before next season starts. How many more of those seasons does he have left? It's also for a guy who seems to believe that he's more important than his teammates or his team. He got paid big time by the Steelers and with a playoff spot on the line he blew off practice, team meetings and the freaking game! Notably it was the third time this season he has pulled stuff like this. He also left his teammates and coaches hanging before the Bengals game. His teammates still thought that he was playing up until gametime. He refused to suit up and left at halftime. That's not someone I want on my team.

Yeah, he would be a big investment both in terms of draft picks and cap. Just seems like a huge risk. If he can’t be happy in Pittsburgh with Ben then what would he be like here? Unless (like you said) there’s something to the situation we aren’t hearing yet that puts him in a better light, then I’ll pass.

Gotta be honest, while we could sure use his talent I do not want players with his me-first attitude on this team. That can be so toxic.

Actually EJ was at the sideline and should have stepped out a yard or two earlier than he did. He already had the first down so no reason to take the hit. This link has both plays. Second video. First one has Kiko at his best. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000255233/article/what-we-learned-thursday-ej-manuels-injury-was-key

It is an uninspiring list to say the least.

On Spotrac when you look at a contract if you click the red X next to the season you want information about it will show you all of the details about cutting or trading the player that season. The Steelers can trade Brown if they want but it would hurt in the short term. Still, it's manageable.

Spotrac estimates his value at 4 years, $26.4M. That seems reasonable to me based on his production and RFA status. According to them he’s getting overpaid by about $10M, which also seems about right to me. That’s all based on what I’m seeing stats-wise. Can’t say I’ve really watched him play though. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/quincy-enunwa-14620/market-value/

Yeah. The PFF article pretty well sums up what I’ve seen from Allen. He’s very athletic and has a cannon, but he’s not accurate with any consistency. He’ll wow you with some great throws, but the percentages aren’t there. Hopefully they will be, but the odds aren’t great.

By not playing him in games the team is protecting itself from an injury to Clay that would prevent them from releasing him outright after the season.

Blasphemy!

Actually one of my big criticisms of them this season was that they didn’t seem to alter their plan at all when they lost those two. I hate seeing the OL largely ignored. It would’ve been bad enough in a typical season, but it was inexcusable in a season where they were going to trot out a raw rookie to run a vertical passing game. A solid OL that could give him time and take pressure off of him by opening up the running game was the most important thing they could’ve done for Allen. But they had a plan to get their QB, their cornerstone LB and and fix the defense and they executed it despite the changing conditions of the offense. The lack of talent at WR didn’t help either. They’ve got to fix it this offseason.

The network showed a stat on Belichick vs rookie QBs at home. The stats were brutal and he’s never lost to one as the Pats coach. No way should Allen have fared well today - and he sure didn’t. I just don’t see how anyone is saying otherwise.

Allen had his worst game since coming back IMO. He was inaccurate way too often, he made some really bad decisions and he missed too many reads. His stats were helped by the garbage time QB drive. ESPN has him ranked second last in Total QBR this week with a 17 overall. Only Kessler is behind him. He was dead last in Unadjusted QBR.

I agree. It wasn’t. Half of our points came during garbage time while the Pats were just bleeding the clock letting us work down the field. It was already over and they were on to next week.

The dead money for McCoy and Clay would be the same regardless of whether they are cut or traded. $2.625M for Shady and $4.5M for Clay. Shady would cost an extra $6.425M if he plays for us and Clay an extra $4.5M. I’ve got no problem with saving nearly $11M by getting rid of them, but I’d like to see us get something in trade for at least one of them. It’s not that likely as I don’t see teams willing to part with picks for either, but you never know.

I’m stunned that anyone could feel good about what they saw from Josh Allen on Sunday. Yes, there were certainly times when he was let down by his surrounding cast. And yes, he’s certainly shown things in previous games to give a guy hope. Also he was going against Belichick who has destroyed rookie QBs throughout his career so the performance should be taken with a grain of salt. But last Sunday Allen was brutally bad.

Really need 4 QBs for TC. One that will be expected to make the team and one that won’t, but will have a chance to prove himself and be insurance against injury at the position.

Not sure if serious........

The Cards are last in the NFL in total rushing yards and YPC. Larry Fitzgerald is 35. The Cards have had a ton of injuries on their OL as well. Seems like your research wasn’t quite complete either. I’m not getting into the Josh v. Josh thing right now because I haven’t watched Rosen and it’s pointless anyway. Allen has impressed me with his athleticism and running ability as well as occasionally as a passer. He’s been lacking as a pocket QB and passer too often though. He’s young and very raw so that’s not a surprise. The potential certainly is there but he’s going to have to prove himself before I anoint him a FQB. That’s going to take time (if it happens at all) so I’m not getting ahead of that process. Also I’m not going to compare the two Joshs unless we’re talking about the Bills’ decision making. Rosen really doesn’t matter at all where rating Allen is concerned except in that context. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/