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It’s funny that I remember this particular game. In 2013 EJ went 20-28 for 245 and 2 TDs with no INTs against the Jest. Good for a 121.9 Passer Rating. Better stats than Barkley. Let’s not judge either him or Barkley on any one game. Barkley might make a competent backup beyond this season. I’d sure take that, but it is still a stretch at this time.

It’s really the combination of decisions that qualify this as a botched job. Peterman and Allen as the only QBs. A very raw rookie and a 2nd year 5rh round pick who looked good in preseason but had an epically poor game in his only start. Then add a very bad receiving corps that’s not going to help those QBs at all. Lastly put them behind a poor - and thin - OL so that they are regularly pressured and the running game which could have taken pressure off of them is stuffed. I had a discussion about the Bills record this season after the Vikings game. I thought 5-11 and he was 8-8 but only with the caveat that Allen stayed healthy. I said forget it. No way does he stay healthy. Not with his current processing speed with those receivers and behind that line. The injuries to Allen and Anderson aren’t bad luck, they were a result of the botched job on the offensive side of the ball.

It’s about making the most of the chances you get, not the chances you want. Things were far from optimal for Peterman, but there are countless people who would’ve traded places with him.

How about “Trade me or I retire.”? Good way for him to force a trade.

Easy to misread. No big deal.

Thats just a list of scouts in the press box. I’m sure some had regular seats.

Ravens. They fired him right after the move.

I agree. Short week after the defense played their hearts out on MNF. No real reason to expect better offensive production. I am expecting a very rough game.

Yup. That’s exactly who he is. A friend pointed out that he got fired during his most successful season as Browns HC. ?

Completely accurate.

Thank god I don’t have to replace my old Schmidt jersey

I just don’t find it defensible that they weakened an offensive line that was already so very poor (and with no depth at all) AND then expected either a second year late round pick who performed horribly last season and/or a raw rookie to perform behind them. The s**t show and injuries were expected. That’s how you get a historically poor offense. I do like what the defense is becoming, but the offense has been totally mismanaged.

By the end of this season he’ll have made over $60M. He complained in Philly about his contract and about being traded here (briefly) until he got his new deal. He’s made his money - which is what he wanted. I don’t blame him for that one little bit, but people feeling like we owed him a trade to a contender is just childish.

Bodine has been a pleasant surprise. He graded horribly last season but has been solid here. Not as good as Wood, but he hasn’t been a problem. I’ll give you that. But that’s it. Trading Glenn has hurt this team more than helped it. It was part of moving up for Allen but trading him wasn’t the only option. His injury last season wasn’t something that would impact him this season and he’s played well for Cincy. And you ignore the lack of talent anywhere else on the OL. That wasn’t addressed at all. We agree something more should’ve been done at WR. The Bills would’ve needed to overpay and they could have despite their cap situation. Signing bonuses with minimum first year salaries are common and minimize first year cap hits. They could’ve done the same at QB. They were in negotiations with better QBs than McCarron and didn’t step up. I agree that McCarron might not have been worth 2-3 more wins - we won’t ever know what he would have done - but he wasn’t the only option. A serviceable bridge QB certainly could have been. That’s what I said. As for Peterman’s preseason, it certainly should have been part of any decision but so should his performance in the regular season. Please explain to me how you go into the season with him and a rookie who played in one of the worst college offenses in the FBS last season. Please note that I’m not ripping on Allen just pointing out how raw he is. Even McCarron would’ve helped keep him on the bench which is where he should have been this season instead of playing with a poor receiving corps and behind an awful line.

Everyone saw Peterman’s performance last season. No preseason performance should’ve made this staff comfortable with it just being him and Allen. As for McCarron, he was injured in the preseason and didn’t get a lot of work. He would have known the offense and would have been more serviceable than a street FA QB brought in off the beach. The difference may have been between a below average or even poor offense and the historically poor offense we’ve seen. It might have been the difference of 2 or 3 wins. It also could’ve kept Allen on the bench this season, which would’ve been best for him. It’s not a mistake you can gloss over. There are other issues too. This regime went all out to get their QB and defensive cornerstone in the first round. I do not have issue with that, but they used the off-season to otherwise build the defense and really hung the offense out to dry. Trading Glenn away on top of losing Cogs and Wood with no roster additions capable of starting. All on a line where the other two positions already needed replaced. No help of consequence at WR either. Those issues compounded each other. What free-agent quarterback wanted to play behind outline with those wide receivers? They may not ohave expected to lose Cogs and Wood, but they didn’t alter their plan once they did. Everything that has happened with this offense was completely expected by people paying attention. Ditto the impact that this crappy offense has had on and otherwise quality defense. They’ve worn down in games and are doing so over the season. There was definitely a lot of work to be done, but it didn’t have to be nearly this bad.

The screw up was starting the regular season with only a rookie and Nathan Peterman at QB. Paying AJ McCarron $4M then jettisoning him for a 5th round pick and not immediately replacing him also qualifies.

The good news is that I am way ahead on boycotting Applebee's.

Buffalo is probably the only place Tyrod can’t play.

I checked out Dungey’s highlight video from last season. That’s something I hate to do since I don’t get to see the bad with the good, but I really wanted to see the good anyway. It’s better than the Nathan Peterman hype video. I’ll give him that. But not much better. And against some weak competition on most plays. Also like half of it is runs. Very few throws and really nothing that would show accuracy or NFL talent. He’ll get a shot as an UDFA or camp invite. Good luck to him.

Dude turns 32 in a few weeks. No extension happening. The ONLY reasons the Bills should try to make a move for him is if it doesn’t cost much in trade and if they think he would help them more properly develop and evaluate Allen.

Yeah. I see them getting through next season at least.

For what? I wouldn’t give him away, but getting real value for him makes sense. Also I’m sure McCoy would be ecstatic to start for a playoff team this season.

Agreed. And it isn’t like Buffalo is the only place you hear it. It’s pretty common.

What has really been an issue is that the schemes have changed so dramatically with each coaching change. Just look at the defense. Attacking, 1-gap 4-3 with cover 2 (Schwartz) to a passive 2-gap 3-4 with man (Wrex) to an attacking 1-gap 4-3 with cover 3 (McD). The Pegulas need to decide who the Bills are going to be and stick with coaches who execute those basic philosophies with their own flavors. I can only hope that the Pegulas have figured that out.

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