BarleyNY

Last season was a genuine tank for the Browns. Most seasons before that they were actually trying. They were a case study in how not to draft up until this most recent regime. Meddling by the team owner, unnecessarily risky high picks and going off board to take players that coaches wanted rather than following the hard work of the scouts has been the norm for them since '99. The new regime has been impressive in their patience and willingness to hold true to their scouting and analytics. They've got a long way to go (obviously), but they should give Browns fans real hope in the long term.

Sure. We don't know. But it's not fair to claim that they got nothing for that draft after one season with a blown up roster either.

If he ordered them "wit wiz" then he's dead to me.

Agree with those that said he's not a fit for a variety of reasons.

He's getting the job now because Osweiler and Kessler have been so bad. He's not ready, but is still their best option despite that.

Tyrod Taylor is one of the Bills two biggest stars?

Out of the 2016 draft they got the following:- #1 WR - #3 WR - #4 WR - starting RT - #2 TE - backup QB - starting DE - rotational DE/DT - starting MLB - starting SLB via trade - starting CB via trade - starting S - plus additional picks in the 2017 and 2018 drafts, one of which was used to take Kizer and another Peppers

Hughes is signed through 2019 and he certainly seems to be playing up to his contract so I'm not sure what all the "should we re-sign him or not" discussion is about. He would be 32 years old when his deal ends or we could give him a short extension after 2018 if he's still playing well. Seems pretty team friendly with his roster bonuses so I don't know why anyone would want to change anything now.

Sorry about that. My bad. You're probably correct. Then the real issue is whether or not TT can be serviceable running the scheme that will be used going forward. There can be some significant development of the rest of the offensive players that will be here long term if he - or another QB on the roster - can do that.

Another tantrum thread started because the Bills traded Watkins. Super. Awesome contribution to the board.

Wow. Totally disagree with that assessment. I was expecting much better from your post and the article. He did well improvising and threw well on the run, but his work in the pocket was not good. His footwork is a mess, he moved around but not well. He did well with quick throws like screens, but much of his success was with stuff that won't work with starters on the field, He's got a long way to go. I hope he sees the field this season because that'll improve our draft pick from them.

Couple of good points here. I strongly suspect the posters whining about the Sammy trade won't have much to say about either.

Might be that the coaches are challenging TT in order to find out if he can be a long term answer at QB. If he can't do what they want, then they still might tailor the offense to fit him in the regular season. If he doesn't markedly improve and they don't do that, then he won't be starting here for long this season.

Happy birthday! I hope you're doing something special today.

I'd add that even his footwork was inconsistent in that game. I never really watched it before and I couldn't stop once I started. It was good more often than not but it was poor too often for an NFL starter. That said, Peterman had some similar issues too. I hated watching him throw off his back foot. He has to get the ball out - even if it's a throw away - rather than do that. Tyrod better hope Peterman doesn't fix those issues before the bye or game 5 might be it for him.

Not really. It's solid production. I'd be disappointed if my #1 WR turned in that kind of performance. But I'd be very happy if my #2 did it.

Taking the best case scenario as who a player is would be a horrible way to run a team. I can't tell you how many times people say things like "I'd take a healthy Sammy Watki s over..........". There's that qualifier so often. But you don't see it with those he's compared to because, you know, you don't need to. It's part of the package with him until he proves it isn't. Also you're flat out wrong on the stats. 1k receiving yards would've ranked him 25th last season between Kenny Britt and Davante Adams. Are you telling me that they're elite receiver's? Or that 25th best is elite? Sorry. And that's not even his average season total. He's well below that.

The new offense requires TT to do exactly what he isn't good at - throwing accurate anticipatory timing throws. It's to an almost whole new receiving corps, Clay aside. I'll give him that. But if early returns are an indication of the season in general, then we will be seeing Peterman.

Cherry picking is weak. 3 seasons, 37 games, 153 catches, 2,459 yards and 17 TDs. Those are solid stats, it they're sure not elite. Even in his best season he barely broke 1k yards. That's not enough for a #1 WR so yes, its underperforming for that. He's obviously got talent, but he doesn't have the production to match. He very well might change that this season. It's his contract year so I'd bet he will do everything he can to produce. He'll probably have his best season yet. But I do not want any part of him long term because I expect him to be way overpaid with his second contract. I'm glad we aren't the ones that are going to give it to him.

Wow. An eight game run two seasons ago. You've just proved my point. No one knows if his foot is fully healed and whether or not it can stand the rigors of a full season. It's certainly a risk. And until he can produce consistently he is what he is: A highly talented, but under productive WR.

Couple issues with that. 1) Either injuries that he has played through have prevented him from producing more or he's not as good enough to warrant a big contract. And don't give me BS about it being scheme or QB. No OC leaves the kind of yards we're talking about on the field because the just feel like running the ball. Also WRs have done much better with much worse at QB. Hell, Josh Gordon led the league a few seasons ago in 14 games with hot garbage at QB for the Browns. 2) The only way to keep him from getting the free agency after this season was going to be the franchise tag. Sometimes going to go crazy and break the bank for him, but it'll be a big risk. It will probably be done by a team with a regime that is in trouble and won't have to deal with the mess if it blows up. This regime doesn't have to take that kind of risk at the present time.

If this regime was willing to sign Watkins to a big contract even with a healthy, productive season then they'd have kept him. They moved on because they didn't like the risk (and/or attitude). It's over. On a side note, Sammy fans seem to be getting through the stages of grief at a decent clip.

Darby did not make the Pro Football Writers Association writer's short list for DROY runner ups (top 6), but he did win PFF's DROY award outright. Notably, Gaines was named to by the PFWA to their All Rookie team.

I'm sure they'd do that and probably even kick back a day 3 pick. They seem to be preparing to move on from him.

I'd be the they'd move Haden, but would not be interested in Ragland. No place for him on Greggg's defense.