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By not playing him in games the team is protecting itself from an injury to Clay that would prevent them from releasing him outright after the season.

Blasphemy!

Actually one of my big criticisms of them this season was that they didn’t seem to alter their plan at all when they lost those two. I hate seeing the OL largely ignored. It would’ve been bad enough in a typical season, but it was inexcusable in a season where they were going to trot out a raw rookie to run a vertical passing game. A solid OL that could give him time and take pressure off of him by opening up the running game was the most important thing they could’ve done for Allen. But they had a plan to get their QB, their cornerstone LB and and fix the defense and they executed it despite the changing conditions of the offense. The lack of talent at WR didn’t help either. They’ve got to fix it this offseason.

The network showed a stat on Belichick vs rookie QBs at home. The stats were brutal and he’s never lost to one as the Pats coach. No way should Allen have fared well today - and he sure didn’t. I just don’t see how anyone is saying otherwise.

Allen had his worst game since coming back IMO. He was inaccurate way too often, he made some really bad decisions and he missed too many reads. His stats were helped by the garbage time QB drive. ESPN has him ranked second last in Total QBR this week with a 17 overall. Only Kessler is behind him. He was dead last in Unadjusted QBR.

I agree. It wasn’t. Half of our points came during garbage time while the Pats were just bleeding the clock letting us work down the field. It was already over and they were on to next week.

The dead money for McCoy and Clay would be the same regardless of whether they are cut or traded. $2.625M for Shady and $4.5M for Clay. Shady would cost an extra $6.425M if he plays for us and Clay an extra $4.5M. I’ve got no problem with saving nearly $11M by getting rid of them, but I’d like to see us get something in trade for at least one of them. It’s not that likely as I don’t see teams willing to part with picks for either, but you never know.

I’m stunned that anyone could feel good about what they saw from Josh Allen on Sunday. Yes, there were certainly times when he was let down by his surrounding cast. And yes, he’s certainly shown things in previous games to give a guy hope. Also he was going against Belichick who has destroyed rookie QBs throughout his career so the performance should be taken with a grain of salt. But last Sunday Allen was brutally bad.

Really need 4 QBs for TC. One that will be expected to make the team and one that won’t, but will have a chance to prove himself and be insurance against injury at the position.

Not sure if serious........

The Cards are last in the NFL in total rushing yards and YPC. Larry Fitzgerald is 35. The Cards have had a ton of injuries on their OL as well. Seems like your research wasn’t quite complete either. I’m not getting into the Josh v. Josh thing right now because I haven’t watched Rosen and it’s pointless anyway. Allen has impressed me with his athleticism and running ability as well as occasionally as a passer. He’s been lacking as a pocket QB and passer too often though. He’s young and very raw so that’s not a surprise. The potential certainly is there but he’s going to have to prove himself before I anoint him a FQB. That’s going to take time (if it happens at all) so I’m not getting ahead of that process. Also I’m not going to compare the two Joshs unless we’re talking about the Bills’ decision making. Rosen really doesn’t matter at all where rating Allen is concerned except in that context. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/

Yeah. He has to but I don’t think he gets the job.

Never said that and I certainly would not do it that way. Players have to protect their teammates when the referees don't though. A similar hit on one of their kickers would let them know we won't put up with that garbage. Cheap hits like that cost teams games - and not just the one they're playing in. Taking them and not giving them back is often referred to as "being someone's B word". Feel free to write a strongly worded letter to the league and see where that gets you. Edit: I love that this site autocorrected to B word

I was pretty interested last year - for a little different reason though.

Really? It didn’t sound like that to me at all. I’d just like to not jump the gun on getting rid of him so we can find his replacement first and also get something for him if we can. No need to be hasty.

That’ll be his cap hit ($9.05M) but some of that would be dead money anyway. The difference to keep him is $6.425M. Still, you want value for that. I’m keeping him unless I get a trade or replace him first. He doesn’t have a roster bonus due and we will have plenty of cap space so there’s no hurry.

Good point, but it didn’t carry over to the second half. There has to be a significant shot on an equivalent or more important player. That can be legal, borderline or illegal, but it has to happen or it will continue and we will always be at a disadvantage.

Fully agree. Sure, send in a complaint to the league. But for the love of god, protect your teammates. There is no excuse for a lack of retaliation by the players for that and some of the hits on Josh. Failure in this area is the hallmark of a soft team. Also trotting an injured kicker out for a 54 yard attempt at that point in the game was inexcusable.

I’m just so, so happy right now. KB, go F yourself. I hope that was the last dime you ever make in the NFL. You earned exactly none of the money you stole from the Bills.

Both. But the pass was way easier to make than the catch, so bad pass gets my vote.

The Wentz situation was just another example of how Hue acted in Cleveland. Taking the high road and saying nothing would’ve been fine, but he’s allowed to stick up for himself and (as a team leader) his teammates. That’s what he was doing. Hue trashed everyone when it was convenient to protect himself and his ego. Most of the players saw through him long before he was fired. And while he was certainly entitled to take a new job that doesn’t mean that Mayfield, Randall or anyone else needs to pretend they respect him. They’re perfectly entitled to treat him with the lack of respect that he earned.

BS. Hue Jackson threw his players, assistant coaches and front office under the bus repeatedly to cover his own ineptitude. That includes revising history and outright lying. For example, Sashi wanted Wentz at 2 and Hue didn’t. They traded out for Hue, but that’s not what he put in the media after Wentz blew up. Then there’s all of the crap hue said about players, FO and assistants after he got fired. Baker was restrained.

What a depressing list to have to argue about. Let’s hope we have an obvious #1 soon.

Next year is his last under contract so you have to take the whole hit then. $4.5M if he’s not on the team. An extra $4.5M for him to play. It’ll probably make sense to keep him while looking for (drafting) his replacement and bringing that player along, but no matter what I don’t want to see him off the team until he’s adequately replaced.

Those are the kinds of defenses the league wants - ones that allow a lot of exciting plays and scoring but also make impactful, exciting plays.