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Technically teams trade contracts - not players - so if a deal was made in good faith, then there would have to be a clause regarding alternate compensation or reversal. I do not know how common that is.

I agree. Probably a late first round pick at worst. We’d need to trade back from 9 or up from 41. i misread the post I quoted. I thought he meant he’d use the late first on Samuel and thought I’d rather have Campbell.

Or Paris Campbell

Beane and McD have talked about the kinds of people they are and want on this team. I’m not looking for a team of choir boys. That’s not what this is about. And I want to win. But AB is the antithesis of what they’ve said they want. They aren’t walking the talk and I’m disappointed. That comes more from them BSing everyone as opposed to just giving us all a more honest and reasonable assessment of their approach.

Sorry, man, it happens. The Steelers were paying AB a crap ton of money and that didn’t stop him from bailing on the last game of the season with playoffs on the line. It didn’t stop him from trashing his QB either. No team wants to give up substantial draft capital and invest big time money into a player unless they can expect effort and reasonably good behavior. IMO the Bills did the right thing bailing on the deal upon hearing AB didn’t want to come here. But they did the wrong thing by even investigating bringing a spoiled brat like him onto this team. Other than being a phenomenal player in the field (when he chooses to actually play) he’s exactly the opposite of what this regime has said they were about.

AJ Green would be a great pick up. He’s in the last year of his contract and the Bengals haven’t even attempted to sign him to a new contract. That would make me think he was available. But there’s one big problem. He’s the only WR on the team that is worth anything at all. That makes me think they won’t trade him.

This is exactly what I think. I hope it isn’t true or that we’re somehow wrong.

Have a great meal!

Shrimp cocktail and a steak at St. Elmo’s is a very nice evening. I’ve been there twice.

That’s not the only deal they’re trying to make. I’m not sure how far along they are with any of them though. Of course they could have deals in place with free agents too

The Collins release was about clearing cap space for other moves. He was expensive for the uneven performance he was giving.

Thanks. Not a problem. Not a lot of people outside of Clevelandera/Browns fans know the whole story - and even some of them don’t. I will say this though - after building the new baseball park and arena the city did drag its feet on a new NFL stadium for Modell.

Best: Godfather II Worst: Highlander 2. In addition to being a terrible movie on its own it also ruins the first movie.

The Browns and Jags have been in discussions. I’m sure the Browns would love Ramsey, but I doubt he’s available. Malik Jackson makes a lot more sense. Jags need to clear cap space for Foles, draft picks, etc.

Couple points of clarification from someone who lived through all of that. Minor point - Belichick wasn’t fired until after the move. Major point - Cleveland was negotiating with Modell on a new stadium, but he had already found a sweeter deal with Baltimore. They weren’t going to let him use them as leverage so he kept the deal quiet and simply rejected everything Cleveland offered him. His criticism of the plot next to Jacob’s Field was that not was “too loud”. Notably the deal he got was very similar to the expansion team deal Baltimore offered the NFL. A deal he helped kill. Cleveland could have been more proactive, but they were out of it before it started.

The only claim I made is that there are people with the Browns org that fear it might happen. They aren’t the only ones around the league. That’s why you aren’t seeing a lot of two year deals right now. Players want either a 1 year deal so they can cash in next season or a 3+ year deal to cash in bigger now.

You are correct. He’s on board. Dorsey is trying to win NOW. Fear of a work stoppage (lockout) in 2021 is part of it.

I’m hearing that the package of players and picks is more complex than that. Not sure if it happens or not though.

If he was that, then Cincy would not be looking to dump him. But you can pretend if you want. I just hope the Bills are more grounded in reality. Judging by the about face the Bengals did it’s obvious no team was interested. A week ago they put him on the block and now they’re talking about how they want to get him more involved in the offense. LOL. Zero interest in trading for him from the league.

Thats not a lot of money to risk on even a decent player. Ross isn’t nearly that though. The Bengals don’t want him and their WR corps sucks after AJ Green. Ask yourself why that is. He’d also be the highest paid WR on the team currently (pre FA and draft). And if we had to cut him he’d have a higher dead cap than even Clay. Sorry if I’m not in favor of the Bills pissing away that kind of cap space.

This is a great example of someone trying to win an argument instead of trying to figure out the right course of action. Let’s look at the whole picture, shall we? He was targeted 60 times. He caught only 21 of those passes for a mere 210 yards, but he did have 7 TDs. 5 were intercepted though. And this was over two seasons in which he played in 16 games. Whats that all mean? Well, a catch rate of 35% is abysmal, but getting a TD on 33% of the times he actually caught the ball is sure nice. The 5 INTs are an issue though - especially considering his catch rate. It points to a WR who doesn’t run his routes correctly/well or gets knocked off them easily. The TD to Catch rate points to a blazing fast player since he’s not winning jump balls at his size. Also he’s had injury issues I see. In any event, I see no reason to guarantee such a player $4.8M. I wouldn’t do it if he was a street FA and I sure as hell wouldn’t give draft pick compensation on top of that. If he is cut I’d take a flyer on him, but I wouldn’t guarantee him anything. The ONLY way I’d consider giving up even a very late pick for him is if responsibility for his guaranteed salary reverted back to Cincy if we cut him - and that’s a rare trade clause.

I guess I’m just smart enough to not want the Bills to eat Ross’s $4.8M guaranteed salary (and cap space) over the next two years since I recognize that he’s not good enough to be in the NFL at any price. But that’s just me. I look at more than 40 times.

It would not take a 4th. This is only about the Bengals dumping his guaranteed contract. They’d probably flip picks 181 for 183 and Ross. And I still wouldn’t do it because he can’t play WR.

He had two more than Dion Dawkins. If having a player that can block well, but never catches the ball is what you’re looking for then why not just line an extra OT up at TE?

Thats not remotely true. CJ was incredibly productive in college and was excellent running short and intermediate routes due to his cutting ability. Metcalf can boast none of that.