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True. But there certainly are prospects that can be quality WRs in the NFL. The Bills have to find at least one of them. Two would be better. This has been one of the biggest changes in draft predictability. OL used to have such a high hit rate, but not now. They’re such huge projections that’s so far from the case these days.

I can’t imagine why we’d do that. If those players are performing then they’re staying on their team. If they’re not, then why do we want them? Benjamin was only brought on because we were in the hunt for a playoff birth. I don’t see that being realistic this season. The only scenario where it makes sense is if a player doesn’t fit in a new scheme, but would fit here - and you’re always looking for that. The one possible exception is Amari Cooper. The cash strapped Raiders might be willing to deal him before giving him his next deal. They’ll be in better shape after moving to Vegas, but he’ll need paid before then. Would he be worth it though? Dropsies being a problem for him and all.

Get after Watson

I am sure that’s true, but plenty of people would support that player wholeheartedly. And a bunch more of us would do as you said, but still be happy he was producing. Personally I’d be elated to take a Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson and/or OBJ on my team.

Okay. Jim Kelly. Revered in Buffalo. People have conveniently forgotten the number of times he sent Jill to the hospital when he played here. There’s the numerous times he partied with women not Jill and all of the reported times he was a class A jerk to people. Yes, he’s also done a lot of charity work and kept his public image clean, but I’ll never wear his jersey. With that said, I am out.

He did go into the locker room one play early to get an IV, if Shurmur is to be believed. And he was back catching the ball on the Giants first play from scrimmage. So you are making something out of nothing here. Ditto for your complaints about his meaningless (albeit childish) antics. Get real.

I could not agree more. OBJ is an arrogant jerk, but he’s not Ray Lewis or Ben Roethlisberger. He’s full of himself. Imagine that, a highly talented WR with an oversized ego. If he was a Bill no one on this board would care - except for the trolls - and a bunch would wear his jersey.

The crux of the issue is whether to use resources to acquire another QB versus a player that could help Allen succeed. Let’s say free agency doesn’t yield anything and we’re sitting with a top 10 pick. Our pick rolls around and there’s both quality QB and WR prospects on the board. What do you do? Passing on that WR for someone to compete with Allen will certainly be seen as undercutting him. The Bills better be sure that he’s NOT their guy if they make that kind of move.

7th in DVOA now. Niiiiice! https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

That is going to be tough to define. How about QBs who required significant improvements in some areas when they were drafted? It’s tough though since many sat. Did Aaron Rodgers need that time on the bench, or was he just stuck behind a great QB? Or how about Goff. He had a bad first year and is blossoming in his second, but he did not seem to have a lot of flaws needing fixed when he came out. But it still took him that time to put it together. Dunno. Good question.

Someone will take him to try at OG or for depth/injury replacement at OT.

Maybe kick back a pick or two. Take their 2nd and send back a 4th and 6th or something like that.

Yeah but I do get the playing angry angle

Then I’m not playing football anymore.

Yeah. Could wind up with people playing both sides with a big swing too.

Damn

Vegas isn’t going to change their minds much based on any single game. Consistency is needed to change public opinion - which is what’s important - because Vegas is much more concerned with keeping the money even on both sides than accuracy of betting lines, etc.

Absolutely correct. I think Dorsey makes a good selection though. Todd Haley (current Browns OC as of this season) is a possibility. You’d have to think that longtime Saints OC Pete Carmichael would get a look due to his success and the similarities between Brees and Mayfield.

Likely 5-0 had they started Mayfield from the start of the season. Coaching mistakes have hurt them too though.

I saw DA’s entire tenure in Cleveland when he was the QB there. He’s tall, strong armed and inaccurate. He can’t throw receivers open and he’s not great at reading defenses. Also he isn’t very mobile. He’s precisely what I’m afraid of Josh Allen becoming (Josh’s superior mobility aside.) One of my comments when we picked Allen was “I hope we didn’t just draft Derek Anderson.” There’s almost no one I want on this team less than DA. He’s still probably better than Peterman, but keep him away from Josh.

It’s going to be a great game if you like to watch dominant defensive line play. It’s too bad this isn’t a Week 15 game for us. I’d much rather face the Texans after Watson gets injured. Still, it’s winnable if we can harass him enough. I just pray that we don’t get a roughing the QB flag happy referee crew.

Cleveland is a quality coaching staff away from being a very, very good football team. Once Hue Jackson and Gregggg are canned and replaced they’ll be a playoff team. It won’t happen this season but look for it next. Mayfield is the real deal and they’ve got some real talent on their defense. Garrett and Ward will be their cornerstones for years to come.

Whoops. Good catch. I’m not seeing stats for through 5 games. Maybe because the Monday night game hasn’t been played yet?

I really like what the defense is becoming. Their DVOA through 5 games has risen to 14th (not top 10 yet). That’s up from 22nd as of last week. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

I’m glad we won and I know it’s really early in Allen’s career, but he was not good today. Despite the W it was a very rough outing for him. He can’t continue to be that inconsistent with his accuracy.