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Im pretty sure that some of the sketchy stuff he was doing got found out by the NFL and they quietly made him stop. He’a done some bad stuff everywhere he’s been.

Dunno. That would’ve been 2017 and he was so integral to the offense at that time it’s have been tough to lose him. That was the year we made the playoffs with Tyrod under center and the offense ran through him. Kinda like Zeke in Dallas right now. It would have meant the start of a tear down and rebuild. The Bills went the other way. It happens that way sometimes and doesn’t work out.

I agree. We waited too long to get something for him.

Yes. His contract was a big why some posters thought he could be on the chopping block. Too many other factors too: his down year last season, the free agents brought in and the ages of him an Gore. It all pointed this way.

Not ones making $6.5M a season.

I think we all know she earned it - and then some.

Kudos to Beane for turning our deep interior OL depth into some picks.

Ha! Like they don’t already have everyone’s playbooks.

I go through phases like that with salmon. At times I love it and other times even the smell is repulsive. No way can I eat it. Tried a bite during the repulsive phase once and it was horrible. FWIW if I’m going to eat pizza, it better be worth it. I’m sure not giving it up, but I’m not wasting those carbs and calories on something I do not enjoy. Unless I’m drunk. Then whatever.

I just picked up a couple from Trader Joe’s. Both medium roasts. I did not know that the darker roasts had less caffeine than lighter roasts. Good to know.

Quick update. Tried Aldi’s Peruvian blend first per JR’s suggestion. This is a quality coffee at a great price. Excellent find. It’s a solid 4 or 4.5 out of 5 stars per the 3 coffee drinkers in the house . Thanks again. I’ll post with further results as they come in.

I think that players are only informed of trades after they are made (except when the player forces them or is allowed to shop themselves). You never know though. Maybe some bad vibes have been coming his way. I do not think a Zay is a great long term fit here, but I think we are better with him than without him right now.

Browns also sit at 17th on the waiver wire. It’s unlikely that Teller would have made it to them there.

He has the arm strength and touch to be sure, but he doesn't have the head for the game. He falls down on reads, progressions and reading defenses. Discipline problems on the field as well as off it. Who’d have thought? And we aren’t even into his myriad off the field issues or that he’s a little shorter than desired (although that’s not a big deal these days).

Don't think they want to set that precedent. Hunt would be asking for the same if they did it for someone else.

Feel free to google my stuff. I am from Cleveland and root for both the Browns and Bills. My wish going into that draft was that one of my teams would get Mahomes. Leroy I think it was scooped the trade and I said I hoped he was wrong because that meant in all likelihood KC would get him. In 2018 I said I hoped the Bills and Browns would get Mayfield and Rosen. I’ll take my lumps on Rosen, but Mayfield looks legit. I didn’t expect Mahomes to be this good, this early, but I thought he had the best upside to be a franchise QB in that draft. Believe me or don’t. I don’t really care.

It really didn’t need to be a big fight. It probably didn’t need to be revisited at all, but the fact of the matter is that it was a big draft mistake. People want to argue that for some reason. This thread could’ve been about a page long and amounted to “Yep, we missed there. Mahomes would’ve been great, but here we are. I hope Allen is better because he’s our guy.”

Yeah. In a job like McD’s if the Pegula’s ask him why he didn’t take Mahomes then he’d sure better have an answer better than “I didn’t have the GM I really wanted in place yet.” I’m guessing in a job like his, he’s expected to make the right decisions to be successful. In those high stakes professional environments they don’t say “that’s just an excuse” they just rid themselves of the people that make them.

First off, Mahomes was an accurate QB in college. It’s a big reason I wanted him. Quite frankly, I didn’t want Allen because he wasn’t. I am not making a comparison of what Mahomes would have accomplished yet here versus what he has in KC. Nor am I doing that with Allen. What I am saying is that the Bills passed on a superior prospect to take a lesser one a year later. That’s independent of what other players were on the team.

Seriously? Childish is what I’d call making excuses - as well as your sad little comment about my intelligence. McD was hired to run this team and you’re simply excusing a (rather big) mistake he made. The bottom line is that it was his responsibility to build this team and he passed on a high quality prospect at what is far and away the most important position on any team. Many teams hire a HC and GM in the same year. Some go the route the Bills went - hire the leader the first year and the other position the second. But pushing a GM hire off a year does not excuse a miss like this. It’s still McD’s team and it’s still his responsibility to get things right. To not understand that kind of responsibility is definitely a sign of immaturity.

Mahomes was a much better prospect than Allen. He certainly would’ve gone ahead of him. Sorry, the “wait until he got HIS GM” excuse is just that. It holds no water for me. McD was in charge and it was his responsibility to get things right. That includes the structure of the organization and the execution of the draft. You can’t reasonably credit him for successful picks like Tre and executing a tradeback for good value, but not ding him for the opportunity costs he gave up.

So don’t draft your QB when you have the chance, wait until everything else is in place? You must’ve been pissed off when the Bills took Allen then because they had less surrounding offensive talent at that point. You get him when you can.

He was touted as a boom or bust prospect with his inexperience being the main issue. He wasn’t a perfect prospect, but he was a damn good one - and a quality choice where we were picking.

You are overstating a lot in that post. You’re also misleading when you assume there was no one in place to do proper scouting. Quite frankly, if there wasn’t, then that’s on McD. He came in here to lead and/or collaborate with those in place. Even if he wanted to bring in his own GM (which Is bet he did), it was still his responsibility to make it a productive drat and season. As for Mahomes the draft prospect, I’m not sure how anyone can support the Allen pick but not have advocated for Mahomes. They were both raw, both possessed rocket arms and had great physical tool. The biggest known difference was that Mahomes was a lot more accurate. I don’t think that outgoing manager made any decisions that draft.

To pretend that you don’t take a franchise QB when you have the chance because you want to change GMs is mind boggling.