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it doesn’t hurt to speculate, but you’re right. This should wait until the Bills’ season is over.

There are some crazy posts in this thread. If not for his injury Tua would be in consideration for the first overall pick. Talk of him being a day 3 pick is nuts. As for the Bills, so much depends on what the Bills think of Allen. Tua is already a much better prospect than he was though. That’s largely due to accuracy. Tua’s deep ball is fantastic. He also is willing and able to throw to spots that protect his receivers. Those are both issues with Allen’s game right now. Still, there’s three games plus postseason left this season for us to see of Allen is putting it together. The Bills staff obviously sees more Of him than we do and knows him better. The Bills do need help at OT, CB, WR, TE, Edge and more. But realistically the question boils down to whether you think Tua will be a better QB than Allen. That’s because no other position matters remotely as much. QB controversy or not, I’d pull the trigger on Tua without hesitation if he falls to us in the first. That’s based on what I’ve seen from him and where I see Allen now. I really don’t see Tua falling that far anyway.

TW has another year left on his deal anyway. Not sure I’d want to give up a good pick on top of a big, new contract. Washington was ridiculous in their demands for him last season. They never came back to reality during negotiations with teams either. No thanks.

4 pages and no votes for Allen!?!? Crazy. But seriously. Now it’s Tyreek Hill. Previously it was James Harrison. Both are POS. Also I do not care for players like Aaron Hernandez and OJ who murdered people. And you can quote me on that.

I wonder if it has to do with Yeldon’s pass blocking. Some here have said that he’s poor at it. Assuming that’s true, then you would not want him on the field much these days since most teams are blitzing the ***** out of Allen pretty much constantly.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/yearly/cap/ This is a nice breakdown by year for players and their salaries. You can see where the resources will flow for next season. Meanwhile, on to the Stiller’s.....

Also no need to hurry. Find an upgrade, THEN we can part ways with him.

To be fair, the Cheatriots are tuned into that frequency too. Funny related story. Apparently Hoyer (during his first stint with the Pats) accidentally got his helmet switched with Brady’s and noticed that the communication didn’t shut off at the 15 second mark of the play clock. Cheatriots gotta Cheatriot I guess.

I’ve been a saying that “the Bills are a QB away”. I’ll allow that it still could be Allen that steps up and is that QB, but right now he’s not. He showed promise of that kind of growth in the previous three games, but can’t seem to handle the type of defense that he faced against the Pats, Browns and Ravens. If he can’t be effective against C0 and C1 with a lot of blitzing, then that’ll be mostly what he sees. Honestly I’m surprised when I’ve seen teams play heavy zone against him. It’s like they didn’t even bother to scout him or just went with what their usual scheme was rather than adapt to their opponent. Still, the good teams will adapt and that’ll be a problem in the playoffs unless something clicks with Josh. I’m happy that Daboll is still giving him the chance to do that. That’s the only way he has a chance to grow.

I agree that we got some calls too. The refereeing is bad, not biased against us. It does have a lot to do with the league rules and what’s expected of the officials. Of course, missing 12 men on the field is inexcusable at this level so there’s that sort of thing happening too......

I agree. Also I wouldn’t mind seeing the Bills lay a hit on him every time they could on ROs. Anytime that he could reasonably have the ball he should get leveled. I’d give up some early yardage to take his legs away. Let’s see how he does playing pocket QB.

Yup. He may have hated the Patriots. He may have wanted like hell to beat them. He may have wanted to win games and even a Super Bowl. But he didn’t want any of that badly enough to actually put real time and effort into accomplishing it.

He underthrows and even gets some off right/left too, though overthrows are the most common. One of the early deep throws was obviously an overthrow but it was also off right. He had one in the 2nd half where the WR was double covered over/under. The pass was so underthrown that the under DB couldn’t get back to it. That’s just off the top of my head. I’d hope that it is fixable as he fixed his short/flat right side passes. That was footwork related. I worry that the long balls aren’t so easily fixed though. Maybe it’s a matter of things slowing down for him so he isn’t feeling rushed when making those throws. I dunno though. I’m many cases he seems to have time and not be rushed. It might just be who he is. I’m sure the coaches are working with Allen on it and they see if it’s a consistent issue in both practice and games or if it just happens on Sunday. That’s a big difference. If it isn’t an issue in practice, then that sure would explain why they’re having him go deep early in games. Or maybe he’s hot and cold regardless and they want to see if he’s on that day. In any event, the Patriots, Browns and Ravens all looked to throw similar defenses against Allen. Blitzing and man coverage is primarily what I’d expect to see from any defense that can competently do that until Allen shows that he can beat it.

Preseason performance? Well, he’s no Nathan Peterman. That’s for sure.

Presumption of innocence in a legal sense of utmost importance. I’d never argue otherwise. But presumption of innocence in everyday life is very, very different. We are all free to speculate and even make (hopefully logical) inferences regarding situations in daily life. Hopefully that’s done evenly and not only in select cases. You know, because it’d be immoral to do that. I will leave it there. You have a nice day too.

Sure, I don’t think anyone is arguing that rich/famous people pay to have borderline or embarrassing stuff go away. But you said “Assuming Chad did the alleged” he’d pay “if only to make this go away”. So why’s that? Why wouldn’t he be legitimately in the hook for payment in that case? Also that’s a pretty big leap of faith to think he didn’t do anything wrong here, even if it’s not as cut and dried as the lawsuit indicates. It’s not like the alleged wouldn’t be in line with previous behavior.

Why “if only to make it go away”? If Kelly did bust this guys face and camera up, shouldn’t he at least have to pay for the medical bills and replacement of equipment? Isn’t that the very least he should have to do?

Seems like a nose so badly broken that it takes four surgeries to properly fix is some pretty solid proof that Choad did something to the guy. Four surgeries is probably what took so long to file. I don’t know what the videographer is suing for, but seems as though should at least have that paid for. And the equipment Choad broke.

Yes. Unless our FA signings equal or exceed players signed away from us.

Nope. No way. Shaq is a decent player, but he’s not worth close to what his option year would’ve paid him - $9.45M. That also would’ve set the floor for a new contract. That average salary per year would rank 21st among DEs. No thanks. He is not close to that kind of player. However he is a player that I’d like to have in my 3 DE rotation, but I’m not happy if he’s one of my starting 2. I’d be happy to pay him accordingly. If not, there’s other guys out there to fill that role.

But if we were talking lacrosse...........

Yeah. Glorifying and vilifying people are dangerous practices and should be avoided without exception.

It’s possible. Donald had 9.

The 300 yard passing yards thing around is really annoying. Sure, QBs often hit that when playing from behind and lose. Sure, it’s more important to be efficient than to get a lot of yards. But, newsflash, sometimes a QB needs to be both efficient and rack up a lot of yards. Anyone want to guess when that usually is? Hint: It’s when two really good teams often play each other. So that'd be the playoffs. For example, let’s check out last season’s playoffs. SB: no 300 yard passer, tho the winner had more passing yards Conf Champs: one 300 yd passer won, other game won by QB with more passing yards Div: one 300+ yd QB beat another (winner had more yards), another 300+ yd QB won their game. In other two games no 300 yard passer. One of those winning QBs had more yards. The other had fewer. WC: only one 300+ yd QB who lost. That was Trubisky in Chicago who lost on the missed FG as time expired. So, yeah, you don’t necessarily need 300 yard passing games from your QB to win, but it sure helps - especially when you’re in the playoffs. And one last thing - I’m not ripping on Allen here. He’s improving and if that continues, it’ll come. I expect Daboll to ask more of him against better teams so the table is set for it this season or post season.

Allen is bringing me around to believing, but I still think Lamar is Fool’s Gold. Eventually being THAT bad of a passer will catch up to him. Also I don’t see him holding up physically. He doesn’t have the frame.