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That’s a shame. Are you in WNY? I literally won’t eat a doughnut if it isn’t from Paula’s. Tim Hortons, Dunkin Donuts and grocery store doughnuts do not tempt me at all. They aren’t worth the calories. I’m in trouble if a box of Paula’s shows up though.

I don’t think I could have said that better myself. Everything is advertising these days. It’s just people sitting around asking “will this sell better if we call it gin or vodka?”

I went to Dogfish Head and took the brewery and distillery tour. The distillery made both vodka and gin. The process is identical except that the gin has the extra step of added botanicals. That’s literally the only difference. Exact same everything otherwise. I thought it was hilarious because I always said that I hated vodka but loved gin.

I think it’s a Paula’s doughnut

I’m glad I asked. I might have gone with Bryant here, but he’d effectively be playing the same role as Claypool so I can’t do that. Uche might end up playing a stand up role as a 3-4 OLB so I don’t think he fits that well. Jennings would be a good pick and fit, but I like Pride and he’s a great fit for our Cover 3. So give me the CB, Pride.

Vernon is a beast when healthy. But he just hasn’t been healthy enough. He’s a guy who would be important to do a medical check on. Of course, Clowney’s is another player where a medical evaluation is important.

Who was our 2nd round pick in this scenario?

Got to briefly meet Chris Spielman. He seemed like a nice guy. I volunteered at a charity golf outing that a friend of mine helped organize. It raised money for The Stephanie Spielman Foundation that year and he came to the dinner after. He seemed to really appreciate it. Bite your tongue on the Michigan comment. Blasphemy.

The other concern is when kids will go back to college. Can’t play games if the players aren’t there. I’ve heard from friends that UB is making contingency plans in case kids can’t go back in the fall.

The Spiller pick was indeed horrible. I agree about the BPA argument. It really wasn’t in play as there was plenty of talent on the board (even without the benefit of hindsight). It wasn’t any sort of surprise that Spiller was on the board at 9. Getting a RB with McGahee and Jackson already on the team made zero sense.

Totally agree. Same happened with Watkins. That was on Whaley. I don’t blame Watkins for what was given up to get him, but he does bear responsibility for some other things while he was here.

I’ve been a lifelong Buckeye fan, but in 2006 I was not yet a Bills fan. I had watched a lot of Whitner, every game. Good player, but I still remember my reaction when the Bills took him. I literally snapped my head toward the TV and said basically this “Whitner, EIGHTH?!?! I have no idea what the Bills are thinking. None. Good player, but not at eight. They way over drafted him and left a lot of talent on the table. Wow, I can’t believe they just did that.” That was also the draft where the Browns handed Haloti Ngata to the Ravens. I was at a draft day party in Cleveland and the whole place was celebrating Ngata still being there for the taking then went dead silent when the trade was announced. For a sixth round pick. It still angers me. Everyone at that draft day party would’ve drafted better than Savage that day.

The article is correct, but Beane’s methodology is pretty standard roster building in the NFL. Filling needs with high priced FAs or short term band aid players that are capable of starting while you draft prospects you plan on becoming long term starters is how most GMs operate. I also agree with Cover1’s prediction that the Bills will look to draft a CB, RT, Edge and LB in the draft (particularly the first 3).

If there’s someone in this thread (or any other) rooting for Allen to fail, then by all means call them out by name. Making snarky accusations aimed at no one in particular is always going to come off poorly. You’re not the only one that has done it, but the same thing seems to get said anytime Allen gets any criticism - and it is rarely (if ever) aimed at anyone specifically. I’d just like to see the posters making those comments man up and name names rather than go the whiny, passive aggressive route. I’ll leave it at that.

This is a big part of it IMO. No way is Cam going (almost) anywhere he can’t compete for a starting job. Maybe KC to play for Mahomes if he gets injured for a few games and possibly win a SB. It’s a short list though. No way would he come to Buffalo to back up Allen unless he thought he’d take the job from him. And it would certainly be a slap in the face to Allen and almost guarantee a QB controversy. That likely would not be good for him. Even if he took that kind of competition in stride, it could divide the team if some players would clamber for Cam. In particular, Diggs wasn’t shy about making his feelings about his last QB known. All for a QB at the end of his career? A guy who hasn’t stayed healthy the last couple seasons and hasn’t been able to play at the level he once did. But with his years of starting experience, his #1 overall draft status and the hype that would follow him I see some fans (and possibly some players) clinging to that. It likely would be a disaster. I’m very happy to see Beane publicly disavow any interest.

There are few things I hate to see more than this. The garbage argument that the people who question Allen are doing so because they’re bad people. That they’d rather be able to say “I told you so” rather than see their team win and that there couldn’t possibly be any rational reason why they’d question him. That’s just lazy and juvenile - and it says a lot about the people who make that argument. I absolutely didn’t want Allen in the draft and he still shows the traits of why that was. I can appreciate that he’s the Bills QB and I’d love to be wrong about him. He’s already hit the top end of the kind of QB that I thought he would be, but I can still (happily) acknowledge that he can still improve (and I hope he does). But is there anyone that thinks that Allen has consistently played as well as we need the starting Bills QB to play? I sure hope not. While there is certainly a wide range of opinions about his odds of becoming that level of player, who here is openly rooting for him to fail? Trolls aside, I think that we’re at about 0% on that one.

Probably a good fit, but they have no cap space and no good way to create more.

Arnett. It’s not even close from a talent and position standpoint. No way should he even make it close to 54. He’ll probably be a first rounder.

Where are people saying they want a WR in round 2 or 3? It’s a deep draft and we sure could use a WR or two for depth and development, but who’s saying it should happen on day 2 of the draft?

Wanted to chime in here with this. The Bills have spent to the point where the specifics of their cap situation are important to look at. Here is Spotrac’s yearly salary cap breakdown: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/yearly/cap/ The first thing that I see (on the main page for 2020) is that the Bills are going to spend up to or just above the base cap of $198M. Their remaining cap space is all from carryover and it’s likely that we will be eating into that a bit. Now from the linked page the Bills should have $45M-$50M in space plus $15M-$20M in carryover for 2021. That might seem like a lot, but scrolling down the list of players show a lot of holes. Needs in 2021, in order from the site: - backup QB - RB besides Singletary - FB - 2 starting OL (Morse, Spain & Ford are under contract) plus depth - 1 starting DE - 2 starting CBs (including Tre’s 5th year option or new contract) - punter Some of those openings will be filled through the draft, but several of them are going to cost. The upshot is that the Bills are not in any cap trouble, but they’re pretty well done with big spending - except where they’d be extending or replacing players.

You can be as big of a Josh fan as you want. I prefer being a Bills fan.

Oh, if that’s not what you meant then why can’t fans question the actions of GMs and HCs?

Because NFL GMs and HCs are never wrong?

I really disagree that all of the Bills eggs are in the Allen basket. Why wouldn't the Bills be able to attract a franchise QB like Watson if they have their team built otherwise? In that case Buffalo would be highly desirable. As far as keeping the team together, we only have Allen under a cheap contract this season and next. Fifth year options for QBs are not cheap. We are going to have to pay him or someone else by then (unless we were to draft someone else).

Kelly was certainly elite. My point is that your previous post was packed full of misinformation. If someone has to blow smoke or outright lie to make a point, then they’re almost certainly wrong. Also, Josh didn’t do anything by himself. The Bills as a team are responsible for their record. At times Allen helped the team win and at others he hindered it from doing so. Watch the games without bias or look at metrics and either way the situation is pretty clear. Right now Bills are a much better team than Allen is a QB. That doesn’t mean that he isn’t going to improve. Again, I hope he busts out and becomes elite - and the path forward is pretty clear if that’s the case. But I’m not into hero worship and I’m willing to think about contingencies if he doesn’t. That’s all the Watson thread was about.