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It is a no brainer for Allen. It is just face saving for Edmunds because they aren’t picking up his.

Beane’s comments about it being tough to squeeze in both fifth year options seems like face-saving for Edmunds to me. That’s a pretty good strategy if they aren’t picking it up and still want to retain him at a lesser contract. Just to clarify, the two options at the same time (see below) thing didn’t just sneak up on Beane. He has known what was coming for a long time. He sure knew when he resigned Milano. One of the reasons I didn’t think he’d do that was Edmunds’ upcoming contract and I didn’t think he’d want to tie up $25M-$30M a year in two LBs. It’s possible that the decision was made to keep Milano and either not keep Edmunds or try to retain him at a lesser contract. We shall see.

I agree. Believe nothing you hear WRT the draft this time of year. Lying liars. All of them. As for Miami, never hurts to listen to offers and see who gets stupid. And (again) it might just be smoke anyway. Or maybe they trade out with a QB needy team and prevent NE from being able to move up for their QB. I’d be okay with that.

I would bring this up in every argument with her for the rest of my life.

That’s a fair way to look at it too.

I am sure it’s an imperfect metric, but I think it give a more complete picture of Edmunds (and other players) when added to the other stats. I looked at this link for all LBs with at least 20 snaps per game. That’s all LBs, not just MLBs. One has 13%, four have 11%, eight have 10%, eight have 9% and Edmunds is among a group of 30 with 8%. He’s 40th on the list (assuming that matters) and that the list is ordered by the unrounded percentage. I don’t think that’s egregiously low and there might be mitigating factors - injury, no true NT to protect him, etc. But even so it is a lot lower than I’d like for a guy who is on track for a huge contract. The stat I’d love to see is one that shows how far downfield his tackles are. LBs who effectively and quickly fill their gaps can have about the same number of tackles as ones that don’t but WHERE the tackles happen can be far different. I can’t find it though. So we are left using our eyes and sites like PFF to make our judgements. I wish my eyes told me all good things about him, but they don’t. And PFF doesn’t help. They are harder on him than I am. They have him a 41.2 overall grade in 2020, which ranks him 74th of 83 LBs. His previous years are better but not really good. Their rankings aren’t perfect, but they aren’t THAT far off. So we will have some information about what the Bills think of him in the next few weeks. I doubt they draft anyone to take his place, but maybe they take a day 3 LB for depth and insurance. The real question is whether or not they pick up his 5th year option. In any event he has at least this season to step up and show what he can do. We can speculate but we are going to have that to judge him by before this all gets resolved.

I just skimmed a bit of the article, but one thing it does not seem to address is the relative impact of other positions drafted in the first round. So first round RBs do not turn teams around? That’s what I would have expected. But other than QB, what positions do? Its point that improving the OL is more effective in improving the run game than selecting a RB high in the draft is a well worn analytics take. Still, a RB who can have a positive impact in the passing game (receiving and pass pro) as well as in the run game is valuable. I can certainly see value in a RB who is a threat as a receiver - and so can the analytics folks. The Bills trotting out 11 personnel with such a RB and a complete TE can create a lot of mismatches. They can keep the TE in line and the RB in the backfield, flex to five wide or anything in between. If all five players are genuine receiving threats defenses will have to put lighter personnel in the field - or get burned. That would certainly help the running game. That along with some better IOL play.

He’d be a good choice. Several good options here. I voted Graham Jr but I’d be happy with Nasirildeen or Carter too.

It literally ranks below cheerleaders

CB Thomas Graham Jr, Oregon

With the 91st pick in the draft the Cleveland Browns select Benjamin St.-Juste, CB, Minnesota @NeverOutNick is on the clock People getting some great values in this round. I love my two third round picks - Josh Palmer and Benjamin St.-Juste. Love Kendrick Green, Tay Gowan, Joe Tyron and some others where they got picked.

And I’m ready with pick #91 if you don’t take him

With the 89th pick in the draft the Cleveland Browns take Josh Palmer, WR, Tennessee. @H2o is on the clock

I’m interested to read what they say about Horn. Can you please post that? TIA

No way to know without seeing how players come off the board. It’s why FOs have to do their homework. Beyond rating players and fits they have to set up possible trades both up and down the board. Then they can be effective on draft weekend. I expect that Beane is set up well.

No, you’re awake It’s crazy how little Oweh did with his amazing physical ability. That roll of the dice rarely works out well for the team drafting him so I have to say I’d be pissed at 30. Talk to me at 61 for a player like that.

I agree. And while I’m still on Team Smokescreen, I’ll play. The only player I can think of that might go this high and would be a fit for the Bills is Alim McNeill, who is a true 1T. He’s PFF’s 54th overall prospect with a second round grade. Notably he’s their second overall IDL behind Barmore. McNeil is a line-of-scrimmage resetter on the nose who could make his presence felt as a pass rusher in time. 30 is definitely higher than I’d want to take him, but I can see a needy team taking him earlier than most expect just due to the lack of top end talent at the position in this draft. I would think that the Bills are unlikely to be that team unless they’ve rated him more highly than that and/or they are doubtful that they will get much out of Star this year and don’t want a replay of 2021 with Oliver at 1T.

Good point

I don’t really see any issue with the value of the trades the Phins made. I thought it was a good move actually - IF they are sticking with Tua. Personally I’d have sat tight and taken Fields at 3, but if that’s not their direction, then the trades make a lot of sense. They’d obviously worked out both trades together and executed them within minutes of each other. They slid from 3rd overall to 6th overall and gave up a 4th for a 5th this year and picked up a 2022 3rd and 2023 1st. And they’ll probably get the same non-QB in the first round this year anyway. At worst it’ll be a blue chip player who was one of their top 3.

Usually I’m a fan of taking the big uglies - and it’s a need especially at 1T - but I don’t like the value there. Not even Barmore, who’s a 3T anyway. I hope some team does reach for him early like that, but I can see him falling.

It’s funny to see so many people on this board massively underrate Mayfield. Three offensive systems in three years and no preseason games or offseason to speak of in 2020 to learn the last one. Early in the season he was awful and it looked bad for him, but by the second half he was ranking among the best in the league. 2021 will be the first time he’s been in the same system two straight seasons and it should give people a good idea of how good he is. I knew it was official that he busted out when he didn’t get a chance from teams like NE or Pittsburgh.

Ooh. Care to share your lox curing method/recipe?

Usual at home: bacon, egg & cheese on an English muffin or scrambled eggs, cheese & salsa (+meat sometimes) in a tortilla. If I’m feeling fancy at home: lox on a toasted whole grain bagel. Smoked salmon, cream cheese, capers and red onion. Maybe some dill if I have it. McDonalds sausage, egg & cheese English muffin if I need to grab fast food. It’s pretty much the only thing from there I’ll eat. Same from Timmy Ho’s except on a whole grain bagel if I want coffee.

That will never get old. That’s Not Funny, That’s Sick was an integral part of my youth.

Sure and I’d have put the Browns on that list as well, but they both seem to have earned their way off of it. The teams I listed can certainly do the same, but as of now they haven’t.