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Just to clarify, the number of voidable years is designed to spread MORE of the cap hit to the future, not spread it over four more years. All future hits will accelerate into next season once the years are voided.

Sure. Couldn’t hurt from a motivational standpoint either. But we all know what it really is. And it’s not a 4 year, $140M extension.

It’s a one year, $12.159M contract restructure. The rest is just pretend money. I think it was a joke by NO and Hill. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/taysom-hill-22021/

I think it was a joke

They are handy for something like this year where Covid has reduced the salary cap. Just like anything else teams can get into trouble with them if they overuse them.

Voidable years in contracts are used to delay cap hits. Let’s say you have a player on a 1 year, $12M deal. That’s a $12M cap hit that season. But if your team wants to delay some of that cap hit, they can make it a 5 year deal with 4 years that automatically void. One structure is 5 years with a $10M signing bonus and $2M salaries in every year. Now it’s a 5 year, $20M contract that automatically voids to 1 year, $12M. But the cap hits would be $4M in year one and $8M in year two.

McKinney is coming off a bad season. Might’ve been the Texans, might’ve been him. Shaq is a solid DE. He was overrated as a prospect and player by most fans when he was drafted and played here. As soon as he left those same people started underrating him. The winner of this trade will be determined by what version of McKinney Miami gets. We know what Houston is getting. No idea what Miami is.

Nice. That’s starter money so 4/5 of the line is set. Guessing Ford and Boettger will be battling for that last OG spot. Maybe throw in a draft pick too. We could still use a swing tackle but I expect that will come later in FA.

Honestly this is pretty spot on. Funny how those kinds of players and those kinds of teams consistently find each other.

Great value if it’s a 3 year deal at just over $28M as I’ve read. He clearly wants to be here. Awesome.

Thanks right back at you. Great catch.

@TPS I’ll give this my best shot. Good god, OTC and Spotrac don’t even have the same contract details which is making this even tougher. So I worked them out individually. OTC: Guaranteed salary of $4.5M this season and $1.15M next. SB proration of $2.6M for 2021-2023 each. That means a post 6/1/21 cut would cause cap hits of $7.1M (4.5+2.6) in 2021 and $6.35M (1.15+2.6+2.6) in 2022. Indeed that’s a $500k savings this season. $13.45M in total dead money is pretty brutal though. Spotrac: Guaranteed salary of $4.5M (same) this season and $2.5M next (different). SB proration of $2.6M for 2021-2023 each(same). So the numbers will work out the same except that there would be $1.35M more dead money in 2022 ($7.7M) and total dead money would be $14.8M. Spotrac’s calculations are off. I see why but I won’t bore you with it. Probably a spreadsheet mistake. OTC doesn’t do a good job of showing dead money beyond 2021 either. The future guaranteed salary is wonky too. It’s hit usually accelerates to the present season with a release, but post 6/1 it would be in the following season I believe. I think I worked this all through properly, but fire away any questions or if you spot a mistake. Guaranteed salary would be the new team’s responsibility. We’d have a $7.8M cap hit (dead money) if we traded him. That’s $200k more than what it would be if he’s on the roster this season. But that would close the book on him.

That’s odd. I’m going by Spotrac’s numbers, which look different. OTC doesn’t really break out the numbers for cuts quite as neatly but I don’t think they are the same anyway. I am going to do the math from scratch and post that. You can click the red X at the right under the 2021 financials to see what I’m seeing: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/star-lotulelei-12294/

I do not think that is the case. There is DE money they can shed to help with the first year cap hit if they sign a young, quality FA DE. There are also some obvious restructures that can yield a lot of space this season. Dawkins, Diggs and White are the obvious candidates to convert salary into signing bonuses. The Bills are in very good cap shape as of now.

Wait. What!?

No need for anyone to be butthurt about it all. I don't blame Watt for taking the guaranteed money, but FA has a lot of Edge talent this season. For the kind of money Watt got I’d rather pay a DE that is younger and will be around for a lot longer. There’s obviously a changing of the guard in process for the Bills at DE and I’d rather acquire a player who is likely to be a cornerstone complete DE. Epenesa may turn out to be one as well, but the jury is still out on him. Watt was just going to be a 1 or 2 year player. He might be better than Addison or Hughes at this point, but they are all at the end of the highly productive part of their careers. For the kind of money Watt cost I want a long term impact player. JMO

That is my expectation too. In general we will see them create cap space as they need it or as they acquire better/cheaper replacements.

Not when there is guaranteed future money involved, as is the case with Star’s contract. He has some guaranteed salary this season.

I’m going by the Spotrac link. If you click the red x at the right under the season in question it shows the possible cut and trade financials.

His new money does become a lot more reasonable so it will depend on his play. He is 31 now so I’m not expecting his play to improve. Ofc maybe the year off will help him. You never know.

A post 6/1/21 release would only move $2.6M dead cap to 2022. The Bills would still have a worse hit this season than if they kept him. Unless they can trade him or get him to agree to take less for an immediate release, he’s gonna be on the team this season. I don’t see either happening so he will be here this year. That should be it though.

Spotrac Star Contract $7.6M cap hit if he’s on the team this season, then a $5.1M dead cap next season if cut before 6/1/22 $11.8M dead cap if cut this season before 6/1/21 The real problem is his guaranteed (and dead) money. Total cap hits if he is on the team this season: $12.7M versus $11.8M if he’s not, so it’s only costing the team $900k to have him play. So unless they can trade him or there is a huge issue with him, he’s here for 2021. Though there is a possibility that they could come to an agreement to part ways where they lessen the money they owe him in exchange for letting him hit the market as a FA. I doubt he’d do that though.

Well, you got the “he’s not tradable” part right. Serious question tho: If he doesn’t get any decent offers as a FA, what about bringing him back as depth on a cheap 1 year deal with incentives? That might make a lot of sense to both parties IMO.

One additional point: the team and player can still add an extension to the contract, including guaranteed money paid after the 5th year

It’s what they are contractually obliged to do. While it’s true that the league could increase that amount if they wanted to, there’s little reason for them to do so as it would cut into their profits and upset the large number of teams who are in good cap shape. Also the NFLPA would not agree to borrowing from future caps. I do not blame them for that as doing so would likely decrease overall spending slightly.