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Ah. You are correct. I didn’t realize the new CBA changed the procedure. There is now disciplinary officer, who is approved of by both the NFL and NFLPA, in charge of initial findings and penalties. Goodell has the ability to place a player on an exempt list where they don’t practice or play, but get paid. And he handles appeals, as you said. Here is an article that explains this all wrt Watson if anyone else wants to read up on it.

Thanks. I think Moore’s size and injury history will drag him down on boards though so 61 is very possible. Jones was one of many great values I thought I got. Lots of easy decisions in that one

From PFN. I really wasn’t looking to go offense with the first two picks, but it just sort of fell that way. I posted it because so many of us are thinking it’ll be a defense heavy draft but maybe we get surprised. 30.Travis Etienne RB Clemson 61.Rondale Moore WR Purdue 93.Joe Tryon EDGE Washington 161. David Moore OG Grambling State 174.Nick Eubanks TE Michigan 213.Robert Jones OG Middle Tennessee 236.Deommodore Lenoir CB Oregon

I think you misunderstood me. My comment alluded to Goodell’s power in such matters and his wide ranging penalties. I’m not sure of any changes in the most recent CBA, but the previous one gave him near absolute authority in cases like this. Also I’ve found little rhyme or reason to his penalties except that he always seems to have an eye toward the bottom dollar and making sure his authority is not challenged. As for this case I meant that I have no idea of what Goodell will do. Is there cause for a penalty from the league? I’d sure think so. Will anything actually happen? No idea. I think you misunderstood me. My comment alluded to Goodell’s power in such matters and his wide ranging penalties. I’m not sure of any changes in the most recent CBA, but the previous one gave him near absolute authority in cases like this. Also I’ve found little rhyme or reason to his penalties except that he always seems to have an eye toward the bottom dollar and making sure his authority is not challenged. As for this case I meant that I have no idea of what Goodell will do. Is there cause for a penalty from the league? I’d sure think so. Will anything actually happen? No idea.

And in Goodell’s office there’s yet a different “standard” which could honestly be just about anything depending on how the wind is blowing that day.

Here’s a link to the PFF quote in a public article. I was mildly surprised by the Milano signing. Spotrac had his AAV at $13.8M a year so it’s not like we got a bad deal from their standpoint. And the contract has a 2 year out at $21.5M, just under the $11M AAV he the overall contract is for. I just thought some team would get stupid on an offer and he’d go there, but I knew there was a chance he’d re-sign here if that didn’t happen and they worked out a reasonable deal. It seems like that happened. Now about PFFs claim that we could’ve made different signings that maximized the use of that money, that is probably correct. But I also agree with PFF that: 1) this isn’t a move that was a bad one in and of itself and 2) that even if it doesn’t work out well due to injury or performance, it isn’t going to do any real harm to the team or cap. tldr: Re-signing Milano to the deal he got was fine

You’re right. I had a brain fart. I meant slot. No idea why I mixed up Z and slot.

Yup. Beasley is a stud. Sanders isn’t close to what he once was, but he’s not aged into JAG status yet. He can be a solid contributor this season. That said, we could definitely use a speedy X WR to round the group out.

This is exactly how I see his role too. Too many people see Brown out and Sanders in and think he’s the replacement. He’s not. His skill set is just too different from Brown’s, who’s job it was to be a speed receiver and who lined up at X. But it’s just like Beasley’s, who is shifty and lines up in the slot. Sanders will take Beasley’s spot if he can’t go or when he needs a breather and he’ll be the second Z on 4 and 5 WR sets. It was a good signing because we definitely needed that, but it doesn’t solve our other WR need. Edit: I meant “in the slot” not “at Z”. Confused the terminology.

Blend of best available, positional/scheme importance, need and scarcity.

Yup. I’m sure the work is ongoing, but the predraft notable acquisitions will be either 0 or 1.

Exactly

And he has a name

It would really depend on the vet player and their contract.

Put yourself in the position of most NFL GMs and HCs. These guys are not winning a lot of games or keeping their jobs long if they do not find a quality QB. So they might as well go all out trying to get that kind of player. If they succeed then no one cares that they gave up a bunch of picks because the guy is worth it. If they don’t, then they’ve got a built in excuse for failure - we missed on our QB. I remember hearing a story of an NFL GM and an MLB GM taking shop. I’m going to get details of it, including names, wrong. But here’s the gist: The MLB GM thought NFL GMs were massively overvaluing QBs. The NFL GMs response was simply, “Imagine if you could have Greg Maddox pitch every day.” The reality is that an elite NFL QB is worth probably a lot more than they’re getting paid even these days. And even a chance at one is worth a tremendous amount of draft capital.

I think that’s exactly wrong. This FO is too smart and has done too well overall to make the horrific mistake of falling in love with any single player. They were aggressive acquiring players to fill cornerstone positions, but it was about that and not having to have a specific player. We don’t even know if Allen was their #1 QB that year. And we will likely never know. I’ll tell you this though, in that draft it would have been very unlikely to have unanimous agreement in ranking QB prospects. They’ve done very well and probably got a little lucky too. Don’t overthink it.

The fourth one looks like what we’d wear if the Bills and Texans had to merge teams. Also they are all terrible.

People here should also understand what is usually meant by a “team friendly deal”. That typically means that a deal has: - relatively little guaranteed money - low early cap hits - exit clauses (aka non guaranteed roster bonuses) - below market value compensation - difficult to achieve performance clauses Not only do I think that Allen will get a close to market value contract, IMO it’d be wrong to ask him to take a lot less. If he’s your guy, then he’s your guy. Treat him like he is. That doesn’t mean that you can’t negotiate contract length, dollars and guarantees. That’s expected. But you can’t expect him to take a lot less than he deserves.

Elite basketball players are in a totally different financial reality than even the best NFL QBs. Jordan made less than $100M playing basketball even though he had years with the highest salary in the NBA. It was so high that the record wasn’t broken for 15 years after. But he’s worth approximately $1.6B now. He didn’t get the vast majority of that from NBA contracts, he got it - billions of dollars of it - from Nike, Gatorade and other companies. So if you are Jordan or Lebron or the like it actually pays more to win and be thought of as a great than it does to make money directly from your NBA team. Rules in the NBA top out salaries now so it’s a pretty moot point, but I’d argue that Lebron would do better for himself financially if he played a few seasons for free and won a couple more championships than if he maxed his salary out on a garbage team. Even the best QBs don’t have that kind of advertising power. Sure, a lot of them make some money doing it, but what football player is making 20 times his NFL earnings from advertising?

I’ve heard this too, but the second round is divided into halves and the first into thirds.

FWIW I typically just look at the actual posts and don’t pay much attention to the name of the poster, much less their status on the board. There are a few exceptions, but those posters have earned that notice due to the quality of their content. And, no, I’m not naming names as some of them don’t need the attention.

I’m not sure why that would be a problem or why Reed would be worth extending ourselves financially. He would be far from a cheap signing. He signed a 2 year, $23M contract with Seattle a year ago. He might not get that this time, but he will get a substantial contract. Also we have 5 DTs on the roster now - Star, Oliver, Butler, Zimmer and Phillips. I expect a draft pick as well. That doesn’t even include DEs that can drop inside on passing downs.

Absolutely. A below market deal is something that a QB in the latter stages of his career MIGHT take AFTER he’s already made a ton of money and is chasing a ring on a salary cap strapped team. That’s about it. I love the “he’s such a great guy he’ll give up $10M a year” crowd! You all crack me up!

Yup. Or just a high draft pick camp body to see if he can turn it around and look like he did in 2018. I looked at the PFF rating and that was a good season for him. He’s been terrible in his other 4 seasons. I doubt he’s getting more than vet minimum so even if signed it’s not like he can’t be cut.