BarleyNY

On a related note my wife is from Central PA. Typically no accent, but get her with a bunch of people from there and it comes back quick.

Agreed. Even taking aside sex the potential for injury is huge.

It’s startling to see how much he gets suckered into the wrong gap. I have no idea why he won’t keep to his responsibilities. The decision on his fifth year option is due next month. I could see the Bills picking it up in hopes of seeing him improve (and I used to support that), but I no longer think they should. You can’t have a MLB that’s this poor at the mental side of the game. We can field a similarly effective MLB for a lot less than what we’d need to pay him. I just don’t see how the Bills can pay him anything close to what’s expected on a second contract for the 16th overall pick.

The Browns have burned through their massive carryover. Prior to the Clowney signing they are are running third on Top 51 cap spending. They should be #1 after Clowney’s numbers come in.

I’ll start with the fact that the current FO and HC of the Browns inherited every one of those players except Clowney. They did extend Hunt and pick up Njoku’s fifth year option, however. But other than Njoku requesting a trade a year ago what have any of those players done since becoming a Brown that would indicate character issues? What’s Clowney ever done in that regard?

Hearing specific breakdown is $4M guaranteed, $4M in per game roster bonuses and $2M in incentives.

You’ve not been following the Browns under Stefanski and Berry then. Beane, McD and the Bills have deserved their accolades. They changed the culture, turned the team around - they and did it quickly. Those same accolades are going to be given to the Browns org this year and next. They made an incredible turnaround in a single year. Year 2 looks to be moving in the same direction as last year. As for Clowney, he’s a perfect schematic fit for them. DE for rushing downs and contain on QBs like Lamar, DT on passing downs with Takk McKinley taking his DE spot. With Myles Garrett on the line there teams will have to decide whom to double team. On a Bills draft note the Browns now have CB2, LB and Speed X WR as their top needs. The Bills needs overlap on the first and last and the Browns pick four spots earlier.

His $8.5M salary is not guaranteed so I think the Iggles are probably keeping him this season. (Either that or they are really screwing him around and I don’t think that’s the case.) They’ve cleared enough space that they don’t have to get rid of him so unless they get something decent for him they’ll probably just sit tight. With his contract situation and coming off a down year I do not see any team making it worth it to the Iggles to trade him. It’s sort of a no man’s land situation.

Because, in general, more picks equals more draft success and keeping the pipeline of quality players on their rookie contracts flowing is how a successful team extends its window. Also draft position impacts future contracts. That’s not to say that a team like the Bills shouldn’t move up and around if it makes sense. But making huge trades to jump way up in the draft is often counter productive.

As am I

I do not want to see Justin Fields on the Patriots

I don’t disagree with your concerns, but I think that’s just asking a lot at pick 30. My comments about the KC game had to do with why we had to game plan that way. If you can’t consistently get pressure on Mahomes with 4 rushers, then you’re stuck scheming like we had to. Take away the intermediate and deep passes and let the run and short passing games kill you slowly. A good pass rush with our front four would have allowed us to play closer to the LOS and more aggressively against the run and short passes. That’s what I’m looking to do and I would take the player that could best help in that regard.

I sent you a PM. Just reply to that. I’m willing to listen to trade possibilities. Also I’m BarleyNY, not BarelyNY as shown on the draft master list. It’s funny because it’s probably more true now than my actual name as I’m still a transplant but no longer a brewer.

I agree. Excellent depth CB, which every team needs. And he shouldn’t be expensive.

Thank you

@Dont Stop BILL-ievin' you are on the clock

You’re right, @Logic. Who am I kidding? The Browns are delighted to sprint to the podium (electronically ofc due to Covid restrictions). With the 26th pick in the 2021 TBD pretend NFL draft the Cleveland Browns select Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame. Well that was easy. Except for the patience. Never thought 🃏 would fall to 26.

I will briefly entertain trade offers

Freeney was a short pass rushing specialist who didn’t play the run well. Ojulari is likely a light pass rushing specialist who is likely to have trouble against the run because of his weight. I see them utilized in the same way by teams that are built to score and force opponents to pass. Ngakoue has been an elite or near elite pass rusher starting from his second season. He’s not great against the run, but he isn’t as bad as many make him out to be. I see Ojulari similarly. And as was pointed out by another poster, Ojulari was actually good against the run in college. Him having issues there is a projection based in his weight. And I am really tired of the “getting mauled by 300+ pound OTs” line. Sure 320 lb OT vs a 240 lb DE sounds horrible, but it’s not that much different than a 320 lb OT vs a 260 lb DE. Both of those DEs need to win with speed. Also I’ll point out that we drafted a heavier, power DE last year in the second round and the Bills immediately had him lose a lot of weight. Not that Ojulari is finished physically. He’s got the frame to add some muscle.

I agree. You’d want him on the field over Johnson for sure. And we need a Big Nickel. I see Edge and outside CB as bigger priorities though. Again, I love JOK as a player and would love to have him. Having to trade up for him would make it a tougher sell for me though. But again, I still wouldn’t hate it at all.

Well that was the game plan, right? Let KC run all over us so we could slow down the passing game. If we could have gotten to Mahomes with a four man rush then maybe we could’ve schemed differently and worried about CEH. And exactly who are you planning on the Bills getting that is a quality Edge who can rush the passer at a high level and play the run well? Serious question. We’re picking 30th right now. I don’t see a player like that as an option unless you want to project Oweh to that level. That thought scares the heck out of me.

He’s looks like he will be a lot like Yannick Ngakoue in that he will be an elite or near elite speed rusher, but have trouble against the run. He’d be a steal anywhere near 30. He will definitely have a place on a 4 man front in today’s NFL, just like Ngakoue does. He will be especially useful on a team with a high powered offense in the same way Dwight Freeney was on the Colts with Manning. Get ahead, make your opponent go to the air and get to their QB. I know that the Browns love him, though they are a physical away from signing Clowney so I doubt they go that direction unless that falls through. As for the Bills, if they want to beat the likes of KC they’re going to have to get to the QB with a four man rush. Adding a player like Ojulari would be huge in that regard.

As much as I love JOK he’s not who I’d take for the Bills right now. Still, I couldn’t argue with the pick if that’s what happened

I agree. I expect Beane to take one at some point, but not early. There just isn’t anyone worth it except Pitts who will be long gone.

Boo hoo