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It’s funny to see so many people on this board massively underrate Mayfield. Three offensive systems in three years and no preseason games or offseason to speak of in 2020 to learn the last one. Early in the season he was awful and it looked bad for him, but by the second half he was ranking among the best in the league. 2021 will be the first time he’s been in the same system two straight seasons and it should give people a good idea of how good he is. I knew it was official that he busted out when he didn’t get a chance from teams like NE or Pittsburgh.

Ooh. Care to share your lox curing method/recipe?

Usual at home: bacon, egg & cheese on an English muffin or scrambled eggs, cheese & salsa (+meat sometimes) in a tortilla. If I’m feeling fancy at home: lox on a toasted whole grain bagel. Smoked salmon, cream cheese, capers and red onion. Maybe some dill if I have it. McDonalds sausage, egg & cheese English muffin if I need to grab fast food. It’s pretty much the only thing from there I’ll eat. Same from Timmy Ho’s except on a whole grain bagel if I want coffee.

That will never get old. That’s Not Funny, That’s Sick was an integral part of my youth.

Sure and I’d have put the Browns on that list as well, but they both seem to have earned their way off of it. The teams I listed can certainly do the same, but as of now they haven’t.

Good choices though I don’t know what’s open these days. I also liked Town Hall when I went there the last time the Bills played in Cleveland. Steve’s Gyros in the West Side Market are excellent. Lots of other great stuff in there too (assuming it’s all open). I always bring a cooler to bring stuff home if I can.

Pretty much any of the perpetually incompetent ones. Jest, Bengals, Jags and Lions top that list. Chargers too, but at least I’d be living in LA. Not sure how I’d feel about the Raiders. I don’t believe in them, but they seem like they could put something together. And Vegas seems nice if you’ve got money. Sure, but I’m assuming one would have feeling beyond that.

I was thinking that Vegas was really high on the total wins for the league overall, but then I remembered that it’s a 17 game season.

I agree wholeheartedly. I’m happy that he can walk away from the game - and I mean that literally. I cringed every time I saw him get hit last season.

If the answer to that question is at all meaningful this season, then some things have gone very, very poorly.

It’s a shallow draft this year. Read an article on that. It broke down the number of prospects who signed with agents, players returning to college including those taking an extra year of eligibility. etc. This is really the year to come out if you’re an UDFA level prospect. I’ll post if I can find. Also there’s an extra bit of uncertainty with many players because of less (or no) film from this season. Edit: found it. It also points out that next year will have a surplus of depth. Trading day 3 picks this year for next is an excellent strategy https://defector.com/this-could-be-the-thinnest-nfl-draft-in-living-memory/

As much as I don’t care about unis I gotta say I like those. It was nice of them to wheel out Burrow for the video.

Wow. Just started watching game film of Oweh. I have no idea how - even with freakish measurables - he can be considered in the first round. I was open to him as an underdeveloped prospect when I was just reading about him, but the people who say he just isn’t good at football aren’t kidding. How someone can do so little with so much raw ability is unbelievable. Whichever team takes him is banking on being able to develop him from ground zero - and that rarely works. Hard pass on a big investment on any player like that.

I’d suggest including C Quinn Meinerz of Wisconsin Whitewater.

@NewEra Lots of overlap between the needs of the Browns and Bills this year. Realistically the Bills may need to do a small trade up or two to avoid missing some targets. I am helping out a guy drafting for the Bills on a Browns site and the Browns are consistently taking players we have targeted on that one too.

Man you all picked over the WRs and DBs really well. I’m going with a player I think the Browns like and would be a great fit in another area of need - 1 tech. With the 59th pick in the draft the Cleveland Browns select Alim McNeill, DT, North Carolina State. @CNYfan is on the clock

I’m checking into available players and trade offers. Considering one already

He was a great locker room guy in Cleveland and solid on the field, but he wasn’t living up to his hefty contract. As mentioned, he’s a 3-tech so no real place for him here.

Those defensive stats show YPC going up slightly (probably unchanged from a statistically meaningful standpoint). YPG went down but that’s solely because teams weren’t running the ball as much - 4 or 5 fewer times per game. Looking at the scores of our games it’s pretty obvious why. 4-2 record over the first six games with only one one two score win. 9-1 over the last 10 games with a bunch of blowout wins. Teams had to pass more in those games. That’s all it was.

Or even more concisely, “Scoreboard”

FWIW I googled “tackles per snap” and got this. Edmunds has a tackle per snap rate of 8%, which is 5th on the team. Milano leads with 10%. Adams, Klein and Poyer are ahead of him too. It’s not terrible, but for a MLB it’s not really that good either. Edmunds played 91% of the defensive snaps so he’s a workhorse with a lot of opportunity to accumulate tackles. I don’t see many here saying he’s awful, just that he hasn’t come close to earning the lucrative second contract expected from the team that drafted him 16th overall. He’s got this season to prove himself or I expect the Bills to move on. I really don’t see him being worth $12.7M for his fifth year option either. That would be fully guaranteed and the decision is due by 5/3.

JC Tretter is the President of the NFLPA. Seems like his teammates have his back. Or he is theirs. In any event, that’s 7 teams that have publicly stated what they just did. Expect it to be league wide- and that would include the Bills.

There’s one thing that gives me pause about Lawrence that no one talks about. Dabo was cheating like crazy down there. It showed in the ACC Championship game against ND and in the previous year’s playoff game against Ohio State. In the rematch in the playoffs this season Ohio State kept Clemson from stealing their signs and it was a far different game. Only a cheap shot that injured Fields kept it from getting very lopsided. That really showed on Clemson’s defensive side, but if they’re cheating there then they’re almost certainly cheating on the offensive side too. There’s no way to tell to what extent cheating on that side of the ball was happening or how much it helped Lawrence. He’s a very talented kid, but he didn’t look good in that last game - and judging by his demeanor he really didn’t seem to mind at all (which also kind of bothered me). I am looking forward to seeing how he does in the NFL. He sure looks like a good bet to do very well, but if he looks way over his head then we have our answer to my previous question.

It’s fair to say that the Browns back 7 has question marks, but you’re very much undervaluing Hill and Johnson. Johnson was easily a top 10 and probably top 5 safety last season. Hill has been solid outside at CB but graded out as the best slot CB in the league. Delpit is probably the third safety behind Johnson and Ronnie Harrison, who’s also probably a top 10 safety. When in Nickel it’ll be Denzel Ward at CB1 with CB2 either Greedy, Hill (with 3 safeties) or a player to be found. LB is definitely more of a concern and the defense has to come together, sure. But I can’t believe that they are going to look the same as last season.

Very true about last season’s back 7. But the Browns have made a lot of improvements already. They’ll get back from IR two players that took zero snaps last season in 2nd round picks Grant Delpit (2020, S) and Greedy Williams (2019, CB). They also signed safety John Johnson III and cornerback Troy Hill. They still need work at LB and could use insurance on the outside for Greedy who has been injured the last two seasons with nerve damage in his shoulder, but that’s about it. Their back 7 is going to look a lot different than last year. As for Mayfield, last year he was in his 3rd system in 3 seasons and had no preseason game or real offseason to prepare. He was horrible early in the year and it looked bad. But by mid season he’d learned it well enough to look like an entirely different player. In fact he was rated the second best QB in the league over the second half of the season. For the season that brought him up to 10th in QBR and 8th in PFF’s rankings. It will be interesting to see how he does in 2021, but if he picks up where he left off then it looks pretty damn good for him.