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The issue with Oliver is the same as with Edmunds. Both were taken in the top half of the first round of the draft and through four seasons both flashed, but failed to live up to their draft position. Neither were extended before their fifth year option for that reason. Edmunds took a big step forward this season, but I don’t think that it was enough to keep him at the price he likely can get In FA. I think Oliver is in the same boat as Edmunds was last off-season. If I were to bet on it I don’t think he stays here past the 2023 season. The whiffing on edge rushes is also a problem, but a separate one.

No. The Bills actually started changing up the coverages on the third drive. I think that helped them get that stop. They tried to disguise on their first two drives, but fell into C-2 every time except twice when they went C-1. Burrow easily picked it apart. It was a huge contrast to the Bengals defense which started off using a wide variety of coverages. The Bills varied the coverages more the rest of the game, but still used a lot of C-2. I was very surprised at how basic almost all of it looked. One last thing. Zone coverage can include pattern matching and NFL teams do this a lot now. It used to be that players would run to a spot. Now many use a pattern matching zone where some of the defenders closely cover receivers in their zone. That looks similar to man coverage except that often they will pass them off to another zone’s defender. Pattern matching zone schemes are a lot more difficult to execute, but are far superior to the more traditional zone. You may have been seeing this - especially on the underneath routes - as it looks a lot like man.

You’re either hilarious or wasted. 1. Orlando Brown’s MV is $22.4M per Spotrac. 5 years, $112M is not happening - especially not for a RT. Playing him at LT and moving Dawkins to RT is also a bad plan. 2. If we could move Oliver at all, it would be for either a similarly performing player with a similar contract situation or a flip of late picks. An All Pro? Not even an All Pro long snapper. 3. I wholeheartedly agree with drafting a C this year. I would not rush Morse off the team this year though. Lots of responsibilities for a C, including making line calls and not getting shoved back into their FQB. 4. Sure on Bates. Brown should stay at OT, but he should get competition for the starting job. 5. I’m certainly good with using a pick on a RT.

I’m with you. I watched the All 22 and we seemed to be in it mentally and physically until the Bengals scored the TD at the very end of the 3rd quarter. We were down 24-10 at that point. Even then, it wasn’t an immediate collapse. We had the long FG drive. The collision between White and Poyer along with the Bengals FG seemed to do it though. It was over, but that looked to be more a function of the game, not the season.

Let me see who the Jest and Phins are lining up at QB before I answer the OP.

Maybe they’d have played tighter with Miller on the field. But I agree that they weren’t going to beat Cincy playing soft coverages regardless of whether he was on the field or not. In the Bengals game I saw the Bills play a ton of cover 2. The first TD was against the only non-cover 2 of the drive - a cover 1. The second drive had all c-2 except for one C-1. IIRC that play was a run anyway.

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I was also thinking about Teller. Obviously we have a different OL coach now, but it’s not like Kromer elevated the play of the OL this year. It will be interesting to watch Hodgins and see how he further develops. Good topic by @FrenchConnection Oliver hasn’t developed into the player the draft experts expected and Edmunds took until his fifth season to really take a step forward. The team has had Epenesa lose weight and then gain some back. But I haven’t seen a bit of improvement since day 1 with him. Those three all look like development issues. I’ll add Elam to that list as one to watch. That pick was a move made out of necessity because we were in such a dire situation at CB. He’s only one season in - and he has the talent to play in the NFL - but we have seen little of him. Coming out of college he was a man corner with very little experience in zone coverage He was in need of development. If he can’t get into the field as a starter next season then we likely have a problem with him too. Rousseau is a bit different to me though. I see a very big similarity with him and Shaq Lawson (not a Beane pick). Coming out both looked to me like their ceiling with the team was 4-5 seasons. That’s because they were both drafted in the first round and neither was a bend-the-edge DE. Players that can get to the QB on their own are the guys that get PAID. You just can’t give the kind of extension expected by a first round pick to an edge setter or complimentary DE. To me the Rousseau selection looks more like a cost control move for an expensive position of need, not a long term piece. That’s an issue with strategy rather than drafting IMO.

You’ve got to be kidding me. Edmunds is one of the worst blitzing LBs I’ve ever seen. He has been used as a blitzer often since Miller’s injury. What was rare was any positive impact from it. He seems to just find an offensive lineman every time. That’s why you didn’t notice it happening. The only reason I can think that they didn’t blitz Milano instead is because he much better in man coverage too. Signing Edmunds to the size of contract he’s likely to get in FA would be a huge mistake. That money could be far better used on a playmaking WR or the OL. Spotrac estimates his value at $11M/yr. I’d be okay with that, but my bet is a team pays him $15M/yr. No thank you. Edit: Spotrac link to Edmunds MV calc

Good topic. That they might let Hines go due to his contract is a real possibility. It is bothersome that he didn’t get more work in the backfield so we could have seen what he brought to the table there. Obviously he had great moments as a return man. I agree that money will have a lot to do with whom the Bills fill out their backfield, but the answer might be C. New Free Agent(s). The RB market looks like it will be depressed because is should have a lot of good backs on it. The Bills should have some choices for reasonable deals. I can see a new FA and a day 3 draft pick to go along with Cook.

Unfortunately the root cause of both was failure of our coaches.

If you’re saying that the coaching needs to be (a lot) better in the playoffs, then I wholeheartedly agree. If you’re saying we should continue to pour resources - high draft picks, cap space - into the defense at the expense of the offense, then you’re off your rocker. Because there are rules about how many draft picks and how much cap room we get.

I wanted to back to this because I’m trying to stomach the All 22 of the game. The first two possessions by the Bengals saw almost exclusive cover 2 by the Bills. The exception on the first drive was C-1 on the TD. The second drive had one C-1 inside the RZ as well. It would have been two but the other was the Offside play. Very basic coverage schemes with attempts to disguise, but easily read since they almost always went to the same C-2. That also made it easy to run on us. OTOH the Bengals really mixed it up on the first two Bills drives despite only having 6 plays. Watching this is actually making me feel worse.

I expect the old Tre to be back week 1 2023. That was my expectation since Thanksgiving 2021. People who talked themselves into him being ready to roll week 1 this season weren’t being realistic. Most of those same people are kidding themselves into believing Miller will be 100% week 1. We will be lucky if he’s even close to that by the playoffs.

In any event the Bills can’t count on him coming back next season. If we do get him back, it’s a nice bonus.

Absolutely it is a big drawback. It really depends on the opportunity cost. Who else is there?

Dunno. Other than Oliver, who is undersized for a DT but still an outstanding athlete, they typically go for athletic freaks even if the player is underdeveloped. Even by NFL standards Allen, Edmunds, Rousseau and Brown are athletic freaks at their positions. And all were very raw.

I would be absolutely floored if Hamlin ever suits up again. First, he’d have to get right physicality and mentally. Then the Bills or another team would have to put him back out there and risk something else happening. I don’t know that either of those things happen and I seriously doubt both.

There are no rules against a player and their team collectively deciding to replace the fifth year option contract. Baker Mayfield did it last off-season to facilitate his trade to Carolina. Except you can’t cut him. His contract is fully guaranteed. And Payne will be $20M/year+. If this team drops that kind of cap space on another defensive player they don’t deserve to win.

I’m sorry. I did not mean to make it seem like I was calling you or any other poster out. I was referring McDermott and Beane. They did a lot of talking to set expectations of a championship - or at least something very close to that. This was not long after the coaching mistakes at the end of the 13 seconds game. They crowed this off-season about how the Bills were a championship level team. Then in the playoffs we got a 3 point win over a Skyler Thompson led Dolphins team followed by a curb stomping by a Bengals team. In that game we got out-coached, out-played and out-hustled. They set the expectations and seemed happy to enjoy the accolades and praise all season. Now they can take the criticism for failing (again) in the playoffs and falling so short of them.

Let’s take a minute and think back to the off-season. We should really give a piece of our minds to the people setting those lofty expectations with such certainty. Who were they again?

I think the use of (or at least the appearance of) Hamlin as motivation for the Bills might’ve pissed off the Bengals. They were there and saw him almost die too. They also refused to play that night and they paid a price for that by not getting their shot at a better seed.

That pick needs to go to a backup defensive lineman and you know it.

I agree. Except I think he has been running mostly Cover 3.

Arguably the Bills’ defense was stacked with difference makers - and had them at every level. Von Miller, Milano, White, Poyer and probably Hyde. Some would argue Edmunds too. Oliver never got there, but was certainly drafted to be. Add first round picks used on Rousseau and Elam and a second on Basham. I have no argument for anyone on offense being a difference maker besides Allen and Diggs. No real effort has even been made to find another one. That’s so stupidly lopsided the wrong way for todays NFL. It certainly seems like McDermott is hell bent on making sure his defense has everything it could possibly need to be successful and that whatever resources are left over can go to the offense. Defensive gurus shouldn’t need that.