Luka

My only hope is that Peterman is playing by then. The Pats D isn't great so at least we'd be able to maybe keep it looking somewhat close. But if Tyrod is still starting I probably will have stopped watching anyways. I can only take so much now that I'm older. Definitely other things to do if they're just going to get destroyed. As far as I can tell, the Chargers and Colts games are the only two games we'll likely be able to win. Pats and Phins will probably stomp us twice.

Statistically, this year, if we don't force at least 2 turnovers we pretty much have zero chance of winning. And the Bengals game is a prime example of it not being enough when your offense is horrendous. I am preparing for an epic beat down from the Pats, the likes of which we haven't seen since the 55-10 debacle.

I wanted to buy in, I did. But as I suspected, this is more of the same. If Milano and Peterman aren't playing then this staff really is tanking.

Well then where were all the sacks when Marcel was here? Everyone keeps correlating everything to Dareus, so show me some proof. Where was the production when he was here? If we weren't giving up 100 yards or more on the ground, it was because we were giving up over 300 in the air. He did not make this defense good and his departure did not make it worse. It was already bad. I'm not blaming him for the defense being bad, it's clearly scheme and a lack of talent. My point is it did not get worse when he left, we just happened to play teams that can run the ball. And the Jags happened to play teams that can't run the ball against anyone, he didn't magically take them from worst to first all by himself. But anyways, I'm over it. I don't blame fans here for not knowing anything about football, the Bills are a terrible example. But trying to sell Dareus as the most important player on the team is just laughable.

But I thought we traded Dareus in week 8?

DT isn't nearly as important as having edge rushers. Huges and Lawson are probably the worst starting tandem in the entire league. Add to the fact that Kyle is basically done and you have a very poor situation, with or without Dareus.

Not up for debate? LOL whatever you guys want to think I guess. Playing teams that can't run the ball has a lot more to do with their stats than a guy playing 12 snaps. You're delusional if you think 38 snaps out of 120+ is having a huge impact on anything. When we play teams that can't run the ball well, we also stop them. In fact both teams played the Bengals. In those games Marcel played roughly 35% of the snaps. The Bills allowed 82 yards and the Jags 29. The Bengals have had 1 100 yard rushing game. It's hardly a correlation. Good team plays bad team, good team has nice stats. Nothing to do with Dareus.

Facing teams 26th and 31st in rushing.

He's played 38 snaps in two games for the Jags. Sorry but the Jags defense was good WAY before Dareus got there. They're currently 4th. 38 snaps by Dareus did not get them where they are.

Precisely, and I was getting ripped at the beginning of the year for pointing out how awful they were. Their performance was purely based on turnovers. Since week 3, every team held under 100 yards rushing has had 300 yards passing against this defense. So did they stop the run or were teams just exploiting the secondary instead of the defensive line?

Facts are hard to swallow. This defense has been bad since week 1, it's just getting seriously exposed now. How many turnovers forced the past two games? 1?

Saints were near the top of the league in rushing even before yesterday's performance. Jets top 15. First 7 games faced teams that are 27th, 28th and 31st in rushing. Stats are fun but also misleading when not taken in context.

The debate isn't about whether or not the defense is bad, it's about whether or not Dareus mattered at all. I'm leaning towards he wouldn't have done a damn thing the past two games. This is way deeper than one player. This Cover 2 crap has proven time and time again that it just doesn't work without an ELITE front 4. Basically if you are a team that relies on the pass, this defense can be diced up. If you lean on the run, we can be run over. This is a scheme problem even more than it is a personnel problem.

This is completely unfounded. And you don't throw the ball as hard as you can every play. He's infinitely more accurate than Tyrod and throws with anticipation. Physical attributes do not make a QB. Position is way more cerebral.

I think another factor people seem to be missing here is that if you are truly building for the future, Peterman has to play the rest of these games. If he plays excellent and you come close to making the playoffs or even make the playoffs with him, then excellent, he's the guy. If he plays pretty good but the offense still falters or is just average and you aren't quite sold on him, you either have your competition for the new guy OR he becomes valuable in a trade scenario. Teams like New England and Green Bay seem to able to do this with great effect. Easier to do with a franchise guy ahead of whoever you're trading but still not impossible. If he plays below average or poorly then you either keep him as a backup or move on entirely. The reason these scenarios are important is they all COMPLETELY change what we do in the offseason. If he comes in, looks as good as he did yesterday pretty consistently and we win 5 more games, suddenly you can start looking at blue chip lineman to really rebuild the worst part of this team, the offensive and defensive line. If he's just average and we win a couple games but maybe you like some things you see, now you start getting into the mix for a QB in the draft or in free agency. If he's bad, we sell the farm and pick a QB as high as you can.

Guy plays 34% of snaps on defense, suddenly he was the key. Guy plays 100% of the snaps on offense, it isn't his fault we don't score. That's the Bills fan base in a nutshell.

He's looked like that nearly every game of his career. These past two games have come down to him carrying the team, which a franchise QB has to do. He's not a franchise QB.

Peterman is a beast. People seem to be unaware that he was playing well for a Pitt team that is typically devoid of any real talent in college. He did not have anyone even close to the talent of a Kelvin Benjamin or hell, even an Andre Holmes. And people that bring up his arm strength crack me up, he's obviously got a bit more spin than Tyrod considering he whipped one right through Benjamin's hands. I'd play him just on ball placement alone. He is ridiculously more accurate than Tyrod. The ball comes out either at the top of his drop or at the break of a route. It's placed where it should be given the route and situation. He was throwing with anticipation. It's a no brainer to give the kid a shot. Tyrod has been in the league 7 years. He is what he is. A running back being asked to throw the football.

Top 10 most likely.

If I were McD I'd be firing Dennison, benching Tyrod and spending a little more time in those defensive meetings. McD said that every starting position is constantly being evaluated but he has not been true to his word. Milano would be playing if that was true. Peterman would be playing if that were true. The personnel moves are questionable, sure, but the management of the guys on the roster is proving to be pretty horrific. The constant offensive line shuffling. Not using Taiwan Jones as McCoy's backup. Not having an answer for Dareus' spot but trading him anyways. And the play calling on both sides of the ball is awful. I mean MAYBE Dennison isn't quite as bad as he looks, given that no matter what passing play he calls his QB won't throw the football. But what's Fraizer's excuse? Is he even needed? All we play is Cover 2 Zone. No stunts, no shifts, no twists, no blitzes. I guess I shouldn't say his play calling is bad, his play calling is non existent.

Tyrod isn't good. He's never been good, he'll never be good. He does not have the accuracy and he knows it, which makes him unwilling to throw the ball down field. Last I checked, the advent of the forward pass was to give an offense the opportunity to convert a 3rd and 13.

The defense has been this bad all season. They've been getting lucky with turnovers. Dareus was only playing at most, 60% of the snaps to begin. We're playing better teams now and all the weaknesses that have been there all year are being exploited.

You're nuts lol name me one even moderately successful QB that has games where he throws for 50 yards. And no matter what people say in the media, the play on the field says it all. They got down 17-3 and quit. The body language of the receivers as they come off the field after being open and not getting the ball. Hell Sammy wanted out and consistently voiced his displeasure with not getting the ball.

Everyone has said this about every QB we've had in the last 20 years and how many times has it happened? He's bad. The team knows he isn't their best chance to win. He won't pick up anywhere else in the league as more than a backup.

This is waaayy too much like that Trent Edwards season... checkdowns and bad defense.