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That's a huge assumption. The guys that are most prepared had the most reps in college. It's been pointed out before that Mayfield had something like almost 3 times the reps as Allen in college. Darnold was up there too. So with a physical specimen like Allen, that you want to mold into a franchise QB, the only way to do that is reps, and lots of them. On a side note, the other huge problem that is ongoing is expecting a veteran to come in and help Allen. That's the job of the coaching staff. If McDermott feels that Badoll and whoever the WR turned QB coach is, isn't able to effectively mentor Allen, he should probably find a coach that can, not expect the backup QB to do it.

The premise of this thread is unbelievably off base. Bringing in your #1 pick and treating him as the starter from day one would have paid dividens. It's all about reps. Splitting reps with AJ and Nate left Allen completely unprepared to start. Peterman should've been long gone after last year's performance. AJ should've stayed on as backup and got his chance to start if the wheels really came off for Allen. That's not even accounting for guys like Henne, Stanton, Osewilier etc that are later in their careers and could've came in as a backup right from the get go instead of signing a guy like AJ that wanted to go somewhere under the false pretense that he is somehow starting material and just hasn't gotten his shot.

1. Step father was a Bills fan. First game I remember watching was the playoff game we lost to the Browns. 2. The tradition. No matter how the team plays they somehow garner new fans every year. We don't have to watch a Bills game just like we don't have to celebrate Christmas, right? 3. Listening to the play by play of the Greatest Comeback on my dad's stereo in the living room. "It's pandemonium!" I can still hear it like I just heard it yesterday.

Another late rounder or UFA rookie signing is fine, but you've got to give Allen more than 4 games. This is just ridiculous the amount of people abandoning ship on Allen after 4 games. He is still raw, yes. But that's what you get with any rookie QB. And while his stats aren't great, he has started to show progress. They're getting the short throws more involved in the offense and he made two huge throws in Houston, one called back and the other he got hurt on. Led a game winning drive against Tennessee. It was just him and the defense against Minnesota. He absolutely starts next year, no ifs ands or buts. Have to get him the receivers and the offensive line like LA did with Goff. Probably look for another OC too, who knows. But Allen is here, he's part of the plan that Bills fans have waited decades for (high 1st round QB pick) and it needs to play out until 2020.

Could you be any more hyperbolic? And no where did I say he wasn't talented.

Next year is the clean slate, which is why I won't give up on Allen this year. He needs to learn, he needs the reps. It's painful to watch sure. But Beane really has an opportunity this off season to completely remold the offense around him. We can only hope it goes well.

Competing for contested throws has been a problem though, there were a couple today you'd wish Zay and Benjamin had stepped into. It's definitely a mix of iffy throws and poor effort on the receivers part. Only a couple times a game do I recall being like wow, that was just a bad pass. So while he isn't processing as quickly as you'd like, the coaches don't seem to be doing him any favors for the most part. It is just really a cluster !@#$ on the offensive side of the ball right now, and McD doesn't have the expertise to fix it.

Biggest redo would be to treat Allen like the guy you traded up to #7 to get and give him the reps instead of making him compete with two scrubs. Second biggest would be to find someone who knows how to scout wide outs because whoever is doing it now is !@#$ing awful at it.

Listen that playbook worked for me for years. Plus Lawerence Taylor was unstoppable.

Funny how I make this argument all the time and get lambasted by people who don't understand football. Mahomes has everything he could possibly want or need to be successful. Explosive running back, a top 5 tight end, great wide receivers and an offensive genius/future Hall of Fame coach.

I want Daboll on the damn sideline. He should be sitting right next to Allen after every drive. Bringing Anderson in to attempt to do Daboll's job is just bull ****.

I knew this would happen. We'd draft a guy high and everyone expects him to be the best QB in the league from day one and are ready to move on after 4 games. This fanbase is what is really wrong with the Buffalo Bills. New Era Field is the biggest bar in Buffalo, people aren't loyal to the team they're loyal to the booze.

Put on some Tre White tape Jalen, you want to see what a good corner looks like.

But you've gotta penetrate the endzone for it to matter.

I mean, look at the results from last year. A lesser coach and that's a 5-11 team. And this year, the change in the defense is unprecedented, from getting absolutely destroyed for 6 quarters to probably top 5 in the league. But as I said, his loyalties get him into trouble. Benjamin shouldn't be here, Peterman shouldn't be here. He makes big decisions based on those types of things and it gets him into trouble. Yea everyone in LA thought the Rams blew the Goff pick too. Then they go out, rebuild the line and get a considerable amount of weapons for him to throw too and suddenly he's good. I wonder if Woods or Kupp told Goff "no" when he was looking for extra reps before a game. We've got an aging McCoy, Clay and....

I'm sure he was much busier banning people for sarcasm and other awful things. ? No time for football.

White deleted his Twitter account. EDIT: Nvm. Bad link he's still there.

McDermott is a great coach. But his loyalties will be the end of him. He's gotta learn this is a business and you stay in business by winning. And you've got to be business enough to admit when a guy isn't working out, even when it's "your guy." Benjamin, Casitllo and Peterman come to mind.

You defended EJ? Even though with that weird throwing motion where he was trying to aim with his arm rather than his eyes? 5 300 yard games in 3 years, all coming against their "preseason" opponents? How about Case Keenum as a guy with a bunch of stats that took years to start? And even then only by virtue of two injuries? QB is crap shoot because it isn't just the player, it's the team, it's the coaching, it's the environment. The Bills front office even explained that Josh fit "The Process" so I don't know how much fans talk about was actually taken into account.

The bigger question here is, how often do fans knee jerk over 4 games and then look like fools a couple years down the road? I know Rams fans know what I'm talking about.

Must be easy to scout players in hindsight.

All I can say is that if Anderson signs and starts for any reason but injury than this front office and coaching staff is a bust.

That's Indy's MO. With a complete team around Peyton, Brady would have a lot less rings. But no. QB and that's it. No defense, no running game.

The difference between Dilfer and Allen is Dilfer was recruited, had success at the collegiate level and then was drafted 6th overall. Josh has had a much different road to being selected 7th overall. With it comes the mental toughness that guys like Dilfer lack. Josh has always fought for his spot. That's the biggest reason I wanted to see him start. He has the toughness to learn on the fly and the adversity will teach him, not break him.

Glad I'm not the only one that sees this. Gotta start working some bubble screens and quick outs into this offense. I understand that he has a big arm and they want to utilize that strength but that's a part of the play calling that opens up after you get teams to respect the short and intermediate routes. I mean I know the receivers are bad but the play calling isn't helping them one bit. No adjustment to the amount of blitzes we're seeing and no attempt to mitigate their effectiveness with quick throws and outside run plays. There's just a lot of inexperience on and off the field right now and it's tough to watch everyone trying to figure it out.