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We had to rim the fat off that route.

Kelly was ahead of his time. They were running spread, shotgun offense when the league was still all about running the football. And he did it at a time when you could mug the receiver. Think of how successful he'd have been with this eras rules.

The opposition to this seems really odd to me. Maybe some guys here don't remember watching Kelly. The "K-Gun" worked because Kelly was able to call plays. The only guy I've watched do it as well or better than Kelly is Peyton Manning. And you don't want a guy like that sitting down with our soon to be 2nd year QB?

So you're under the impression that somehow McDermott conducted an entire draft all by himself? It's amazing how clueless people are on this board. McDermott used Whaley's draft board to make selections. It was Whaley's draft.

Whaley drafted EJ Manuel. Yes, Mahommes is good but no one was going to take Whaley's word for it even if that's who he wanted at 10. And also, trading arguably a top 5 corner, top 5 MLB and potential top 5 QB doesn't sound like a good deal. It's a team sport. The Bills just don't have the coaching and weapons that KC does, period. So Mahommes' success would not be a sure thing in Buffalo anyways.

If I were Murray, I'd stick with baseball.

I was thinking the opposite. With the huge amount of cap space, I'd like to see a trade up if they target someone they really like that'll be off the board before we pick in the 2nd round. BPA at 9 is a comfortable position to be in and with guys like Fant and Metcalf probably hovering around a top 10 pick, no sense in passing that up.

He had the least amount of experience, period. I think he had something like 48% of the snaps that Mayfield had and they came into the league the same year. Then to think we took him, most likely knowing the disadvantage he already faced with so little experience and we doubled down on that by making him compete with the worst QB in NFL history and a 4 year backup to an average QB, taking away the valuable reps he needed. At his current rate of progress it pains me to think what this year could've been if they just drafted him and named him the starter from day 1. Even more so what we could've seen by the end of the year if he hadn't missed the 5.5 games that he did.

So after reading this, I'm convinced that McDermott is going to be successful in year 3. He wants guys that will fight. When people hear him say "character" they think he means choir boys. But what I see is that he wants guys that won't give up, that will put in the work. I think Duke sounds like the epitome of that character that McDermott looks for.

In his first start (ever), against the Chargers, he outplayed Jackson by a wide margin. I don't see how the Bills defense completely laying an egg in the first half of that game falls on Allen. I mean you can have your biases I guess, but all you really have is a first NFL start and a game against the Pats (who aren't the Chargers) as "proof" he would've played poorly. All I saw was a kid who the week before, scored 5 TDs and avenged a loss from earlier in the season against a division rival. I haven't seen Jackson do anything like that and so far the only rookie QB that's better than Allen is Mayfield.

I honestly don't think Allen would've laid an egg. He's been progressing nicely all year. What's funny to me is listening to people talk about Jackson's running ability. Allen had a much higher YPC than Jackson. Would've had a lot more yards than Jackson IF we were running the type of offense the Ravens were. But Allen is a real QB and he is a definite threat from the pocket. Jackson is not the one with the most yards rushing by a QB over a 3 game span. Allen is. I'm not saying the Bills would've won the game but I certainly don't agree with Allen laying an egg. He isn't a one dimensional player.

Josh not playing 16 games.

Part Josh but also part Daboll. Not a ton of short throws called in general. But I agree, the short passing game in general needs a ton of work. Especially if they are going to keep McCoy. They went after a lot of speed guys at receiver like Foster, McKenzie, need to get all these guys in space on the perimeter much more often than we tried to this year.

I think his accuracy issues are a bit overblown now compared to draft night. I also never knew he'd be a better runner than Tyrod.

If the last one is true, that'll be the team I watch.

Perfect compliment to McCoy if they keep him around. Jordan Scarlett has a similar style but is a known blocker and pass catcher as well.

So what he's saying is either is available in the offseason? I'd take Fournette for a 4th and Vlad Ducasse.

Say what? Our run D is awful.

How many of his picks are bad throws and how many are bad decisions? He could clean up 75% of his INTs by just not throwing across his body. When he feels like doing that he needs to just toss it out of bounds. Also the 2nd most drop percentage in the league as someone mentioned. And those short gimme passes, when does he ever get those? I've been calling for a shorter, quicker passing game all year to develop a rhythm with Foster and McKenzie, get the fast guys in space on the outside, McCoy as well.

Yikes.

Shaw is Danny Crossman.

So you are saying that Fox was explaining away Rodgers completion percentage this year? Interesting... So in reality, people do this for every QB in the league, especially the good ones when they have an off day or an off year but you're upset that we can also apply that to a rookie QB with 8 starts who should be getting the benefit of the doubt since he is a rookie. Right.

Bryce Love, Bennie Snell Jr. or Lamical Perine would be the backs I'd target in the draft. Maybe even take a flyer on Jordan Scarlett if he slips. Need a 1, 2 punch. McCoy will have to find somewhere else to get his 12k.

Draft skill position players, spend the money on the line. A veteran line will do wonders for Josh's development in year two. I think the draft will look something like Edge and WR in rounds 1 and 2. They might even move back into the first of the WR. Unless they get real crazy and draft Noah Fant in the first.

If you aren't sold on Josh there's 31 other teams to watch.