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I am not defending him but a little background on Chris- He went to high school in Orlando and his high school coach was my neighbor and we have discussed him. He was definitely in a gang circle while in high school and it was suggested he leave the state for college to get away from the gangs. It is possible these guys came after him for leaving the gang because those who knew him believed he left that part of his life behind. He had a hard life until his football skills became apparent and he made dumb choices when he was young and I hope he left those dumb choices behind and this is all a misunderstanding.

This is not the 51-3 game. I do not remember the exact score but I sat in the second row at about the 12 yard line and Tasker flew by us on a kick return. I will say I got there early and some Raiders came out trying to act tough with bare arms for a few minutes before they understood how cold it was.

If he has Tre that low he definitely weights "usage" to highly. Since smart QBs do not throw his way he does not have opportunities to be better by his stats. All stats have limitations but that seems ridiculous.

I would be concerned if Tre did not seem extremely bright and self motivated. If we pay him he will stay I am quite confident.

I had not thought of it in that context- but in that case you are right, and by a pretty big margin.

I agree with Winston but disagree with Newton- he will never be great again because he can not run like he used to run and therefore is only a mediocre QB.

You and I will have to disagree on what the term bust means- I assume you feel half of each years top 10 are busts and sometimes all of them?

Maybe you mean something different than what I think a "student athlete" is but all colleges with good sport teams have easier academics for athletes that do not want to really be students, it was actually part of the discussion for Brian Kelly when he went to ND.

Are the throwbacks the ones on the far right- black top/white bottom- because I like them. The road ones looked awful- which was appropriate for most of those teams.

I will state to you as I did to the other, the issue with Troup is he could not get off blocks well even in college. Maybe the Bills thought they could teach him but I think they took him to be a space eater and not much else but without a stud LB that is not going to win many games. My initial comment was about how he was a low cieling guy which i still think he was even without the injury.

I will continue in the draft bust topic if you want to continue but this is not proper place as pointed out by others.

Other recievers with similar numbers over similar time frames- Adam Thielen, John Brown, Mohamed Sanu, Kenny Stills, and two with lesser numbers per year- Edelman and Amendola. So yes 700 per year with 5 TDs makes you good.

I am amazed I am defending Watkins since I didn't like the pick with Mack still there but to call the guy a bust is crazy by the numbers. He has put up per year of his career numbers almost identical to Adam Thielen, Sanu, Kenny Stills, Randall Cobb and Amendola. All of them have about 700 yds per year and 5 TDs. He is not a top 10 WR but is not a bust.

I am aware he broke his back and I do not blame him but I am not revising anything. Troup was not dominant for UCF, he was great at eating up space but had major issues getting off blocks even against lesser players in Conference USA. In the second round you do not take a player with limited ability to get off blocks unless you have a very specific role for him fill.

Reading what you wrote made me realize the standard for some people is either totally worth it or bust. A player drafted in the top 10 who is average is not a bust unless you think the majority of top 10 picks are busts because most top guys only become average pros. I think a more reasonable standard for bust status is a guy who is out of the league in 4 years.

Troup is the definition of the why we were never good then- he was a low cieling guy who got a very defined role and then failed at it. Picking guys early with very defined roles is dumb, pick players who can do it all and try to coach up specific abilities.

I have stated many times you need a GM and coach to be on the same page of which DW was not. He needed a coach who wanted big athletic defensive lineman and knew how to use them. He got Rex who wanted space eaters and great LBs. It is like hiring a 5 star Italian to cook Asian.

Booger distracts from the game- he does not add to it. Romo adds a little and then shuts up.

Unless he is willing to take a 2 year 12 million a year type contract I do not want him. I know that we will have to spend a lot to keep our own in the next 3 years and to replace Hughes and others. I do not think he brings value for more than that I am happy we have a GM who thinks the same

I am glad Diggs was not here in one way, Brown and Allen have a feel for each other now. Allen will now have his " favorite" reciever and a new stud reciever to go along with his smaller guys. I expect a big step forward for Allen since Brown will be getting much more one on one coverage and should be open much more.

The one ball on sidelines, which I think sealed Zays trip out, would have been a catch most likely for Diggs and no way an interception. (It was not an interception by the rules anyway but not my point)

If you mean as a coach I would be on board because he was a less athletic version of Josh- but the dude will never play on an NFL game again effectively.

Are you trying to say that a $9 million guaranteed contract is a " prove it" contract? He is still being paid well and btw he is on a team that a small chance at super bowl next year. Is this what you say about all the guys who take below market to go to the Pat's*?

I have been watching most of the games this past season on gamepass and I will state absolutely that he was better than the opposing QB most games, at least 9 times he was better and I would state 3 times he was equal. That mkes him at least average in my book in his second year. A little improvement and he is top 10 this year. I also want to point out that in 4 of the last 6 games he played a full game he had great QBR numbers and only only Baltimore was bad. He is not a volume number guy but an efficient number guy

I agree up to this point Watson has been better than Josh but I think in the next 10 years Josh will be the better QB due to be a better athlete and having better coaching, not to mention a better team around him. I doubt he catches Mahomes or Wilson but I would not be surprised if he is right behind them.