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I said as the major standard- if you have multiple undefeateds then you must seperate somehow. Was this really your gotcha? Just stick with Auburn did not care about the peach bowl last year it is a much simpler argument.

I agree overall but i am not sure if UB will be better without him. He has so much physical ability i keep hoping his brain clicks. I am an eternal optimist

I understand your point but you still have not stated who was clearly better? A team that could not win its conference or nebraska who lost to a 7-6 team? Or someone who lost their bowl game? You are bashing them for their bowl game opponent which is set up prior to season.

You have a good point that i had not considered. But in a league where qbs dominate i would have given up 2014 for a better 2016. But your point is completely valid.

But they had the most difficult schedule of all the undefeateds and beat the #3 team at the time of game. Who do you think was clearly better? Washington did not even win there conference.

I was of the opinion then and even more so now that he needed to be allowed to win or lose games on his own. Marrone told him not to lose the game which is a terrible mentality to grow in. I am a math teacher and my students who are willing to make mistakes make greater gains then those who are unwilling.

I am confused by what you mean by BYU- are you saying they were not best team in country- i was 6 so i do not remember. Stop using math?

We agree on the money part for all people considered. What you are pointing out that help my initial point is the insanity of using SOS as a major standard. Last year UCF could have played FSU, UF, and the Canes and likely had whooped all three. That though would not have helped their SOS because not one of them was truly good. The ACC is not very good but we recognize the talent of Clemson because they beat who this year? A bunch of 4 and 5 loss teams. I will admit i went into the weeds with the UF thing but my overall point is valid and you apparently agree- SOS is not something that can be adjusted by the team but is more luck of life 4 years prior.

One- where they are in two years in not part of this debate FSU is not good now and they were good for 20 years in a row. Second- they are ducking the gators? Are you ignorant of the offer? A 2 for 1 when UCF has been the superior team for that past two years and UF will have the right to buy out the game if they choose. UCF will take anyone on under a 1 for 1 set up. Third- their opponents were not stellar this year- but they only play who is on their schedule which did not matter for Bama last year when they beat zero top 15 teams last year before playoff and had a loss. But i have realized that most of the people who argue SOS are stuxk in 1995 when being top 10 was a big drop to 20- this year # 10 is gators who were stomped by mizzou. I can give ypu plenty of other arguments but why bother you will confirm your bias each step.

You and I disagree on a major point- they want big name schools- they do not care about blowouts- OU is not going to give Bama an issue and that is ok since their fans will already be watching. Lastly as for the " 4 best teams" that was not the argument till last year, before that it was best resume or best conference champs. But i know you are being honest which is i like discussing this.

I have not watched particularly that much but if he is improving i am ok with it. I though am seeing why guys of his stature do not generally play MLB- it is hard to get low when you are so tall.

You mean besides winning 25 in a row, a top 20 offense and defense, also Oklahoma has exactly one impressive win- WVU- and a loss. But generally someone has to actually lose before you have proof they should not be champs. But i appreciate you admitting that i am right. This is a reasonable argument but still keeps a team with 25 game win streak out of final four with a team with a loss in. I think that is unfair.

Does anyone for certain if NFL allows contracts to have wording about offsets for suspensions? I was told before that Dareus contract could not have any way to get money back when he had an issue.

I keep hearing strength of schedule but is there anything else that you can argue for keeping them out of top 4? SOS is the argument made by people whose main desire is too keep the big five in control. Truly that argument is built by people who simply do not want to actually work to check out all the true contenders.

This is the only real concern i have for the kid in the future. He has to learn when the quick throw for 5 yards is the best option. Few qbs are good at this early in career so i i am still optimistic.

i was arguing with my brothers about what a chump Orton was during this game and they stopped fighting when this happened.

If you stated JA has not stayed in the pocket to make a throw then you are overly critical- he has a ton to work on but the dude has stood and delivered many times and i have only watched 4 games- his bomb to robert foster was as good as it gets with standing and delivering.

I was at game and freely admit that the only reason we did not leave is that we were in upper deck and saw everyone leaving and did not want to be stuck in the lot. Of course 20 minutes later we were thrilled we did not leave.

I do not mean this as an offense but how old are you? I can not argue 1975 info since i was not born. You are arguing that power 5 do not get preference at a shot at the tournament? Maybe before 1995 but twice in the past 4 years Syracuse has made the tourney despite having no right to being in field at all. The other point you have about midmajors making impacts is correct but with the exception of st joes who won like 30 in a row no one allows a midmajor to be #1 in rankings withput being good for literally 10 years in a row.

All kinds of mid majors win in football but they do not get credit. UB smoked a big 10 team this year. EMU won at Purdue where Purdue smoked OSU. UCF has not lost in 2 years- only someone trying to confirm their previous bias would not recognize that they are a truly great team. But let me ask you why is college basketball so much different besides larger sample size and larger tourney field? If anything basketball should be even more weighted to the big boys yet Butler in back to back years was able to make the finals.

I jave read multiple people bash UCF who have never seen them play. UCF might have been 10-2 on Bamas schedule but anyone who says they are not a top level team last year and this year decided in the preseason that UCF did not belong and have looked for reasons to continue the thought. In college basketball Butler almost won titles from the horizon league. Anyone who will not give UCF credit for winning 25 in a row is ignorant of how football has changed since 2000.

I was thi king about this topic this morning and he reminds of Doug Flutie but with height and a cannon arm- so i am very optimistic. That charles clay drop last week would have been a bighlight rell ay if clay did the basic version of his job.

I was glad it was Not us- everyone except the one dude was telling him to cut it out- it takes one total loser to make a whole group look bad.

I was breezing thrpugh post and was about to tell some young kid to stop stealing the senators place here- then i realized it was you and felt better about the world.

NFL has the tech to totally revolutionize officitiating if they chose to. They are ok with crappy calls as long as it keeps money rolling in. They will only change when money is lost.