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36 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:
Which one of those players was a top 5 pick? Bust is a relative term derived directly to draft position. If you get a 3rd-4th round talent and production from a top 5 pick, your pick was a bust. That label is as much for the FO that drafted them as it is for the player. Top 10 picks are supposed to change your franchise.
You and I will have to disagree on what the term bust means- I assume you feel half of each years top 10 are busts and sometimes all of them?
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7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Could have been the next Gronk. My condolences. ?
and this is why no one should ever get mad at players for trying to get every cent they can while they can. It also seems like we’ve had some terrible injuries to linebackers - Spoon, Cowart, and Spikes (who was going to be the best Bills LB ever). Damn shame.
TD was awful after that.
I mean this probably goes on everywhere but they didn’t just give him the passing grades. Wasn’t the story that Robert Smith wanted to be pre-med at OSU and was told he couldn’t because he needed to focus on football? I salute a school like Stanford that actually has legit student athletes.
Maybe you mean something different than what I think a "student athlete" is but all colleges with good sport teams have easier academics for athletes that do not want to really be students, it was actually part of the discussion for Brian Kelly when he went to ND.
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2 hours ago, DCOrange said:
The throwback is really sharp. Everything else...yikes. The two on the left are the best of the new jerseys but they're saying they'll be going monochrome for their main jersey combos.
What I had heard was that the Falcons and Rams were going to be gross and the Bucs, Browns, and Chargers were going to be relatively decent. Seems like they're 2/2 so far.
Are the throwbacks the ones on the far right- black top/white bottom- because I like them.
42 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:you think Atlanta’s uniforms are bad, take a look back at these. I HATED these uniforms, they were so ugly.
The road ones looked awful- which was appropriate for most of those teams.
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1 hour ago, cage said:
Thats right! You have to look at every draft pick in the context of when they were taken, what the team's needs were at the time and other players still available. Gronk is the player who had injury concerns, not Troupe. The Pats rolled the dice on him and won that one. The drafting process can't be criticize retrospectively with 20:20 hindsight without context. We did need a DT at the time. Unfortunately after Suh and McCoy drafter #2/3 the rest of the DTs taken through the first 3 rounds didn't really turn out. Its unfortunate, but if you look at the draft, Troupe was the 5th DT taken early in the 2nd round, so they were coming off the board.
I will state to you as I did to the other, the issue with Troup is he could not get off blocks well even in college. Maybe the Bills thought they could teach him but I think they took him to be a space eater and not much else but without a stud LB that is not going to win many games. My initial comment was about how he was a low cieling guy which i still think he was even without the injury.
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1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:
I wouldn’t call that a “good” list. Sorry man. And ESPECIALLY when a dude is a top 5 pick.
that’s a couple of good wr’s. Couple of solid/average dudes and a couple of replaceable players. That’s not a good list.
also putting a dude like thielen on their is silly. The guy had to work his way onto a roster his first 2 seasons after being undrafted. Those 2 seasons of fringe play totally skew the numbers. Since he’s established himself his production has put Watkins to shame. But I get it, you’re trying to prove a lame point so you needed to add him without context.
I will continue in the draft bust topic if you want to continue but this is not proper place as pointed out by others.
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25 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:
So 1 single 1000 yd season, in his first 6 years, for a top 5 pick that was regardEd as a generational talent at his position and he’s very good?
so let me get this straight. We are now calling wr’s that have a 6 year average of 700 yds and 5 td a season very good?
I get it. Postseason runs. But at what point does a player get held accountable for the totality of his work? This dude has been in the 2 most prolific offenses of the last 3 or 4 years and can’t sniff 1000 yds. If a running back was picked in the top 5, and after 6 seasons had eclipsed 1000 yds ONCE and never made a probowl would we be calling him “very good”?
Other recievers with similar numbers over similar time frames- Adam Thielen, John Brown, Mohamed Sanu, Kenny Stills, and two with lesser numbers per year- Edelman and Amendola. So yes 700 per year with 5 TDs makes you good.
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I am amazed I am defending Watkins since I didn't like the pick with Mack still there but to call the guy a bust is crazy by the numbers. He has put up per year of his career numbers almost identical to Adam Thielen, Sanu, Kenny Stills, Randall Cobb and Amendola. All of them have about 700 yds per year and 5 TDs. He is not a top 10 WR but is not a bust.
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1 minute ago, Philly McButterpants said:
I hate this revisionist crap - the guy literally broke his back. it's not his fault that he got drafted. he didn't "fail" at anything other than remaining healthy enough to play.
I am aware he broke his back and I do not blame him but I am not revising anything. Troup was not dominant for UCF, he was great at eating up space but had major issues getting off blocks even against lesser players in Conference USA. In the second round you do not take a player with limited ability to get off blocks unless you have a very specific role for him fill.
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1 hour ago, Rico said:
It was fun goofing on him for being a decoy, etc, but he's part of history now. Anyone can watch footage of him making plays in a Super Bowl that helped his team win the Lombardi,. Like Chris Hogan, that trumps everything else, and can never be taken away from him. Disappointing in Buffalo, yes. Bust, no.
Reading what you wrote made me realize the standard for some people is either totally worth it or bust. A player drafted in the top 10 who is average is not a bust unless you think the majority of top 10 picks are busts because most top guys only become average pros. I think a more reasonable standard for bust status is a guy who is out of the league in 4 years.
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31 minutes ago, GymShorts84 said:
Torrell Troup one pick ahead of Gronk and Watkins over Khalil Mack hit the hardest. Mack might bother me more because how did the organization scouts not have a front row seat for two years? I know Troup battled injury too, but these two guys would have been hometown heroes.
Troup is the definition of the why we were never good then- he was a low cieling guy who got a very defined role and then failed at it. Picking guys early with very defined roles is dumb, pick players who can do it all and try to coach up specific abilities.
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On 4/3/2020 at 12:46 PM, Hatszel said:
I think Whaley gets a bad rap. He did what he could with each Coaching staff and tried to get them what the coach wanted. I agree that when the trade went down it should have been Mack to trade up by giving up a 1 to get a receiver in a receiver heavy draft was foolish. In the draft simulators that year I traded back and would have drafted Martin, Evens and Bryant with the first 3 picks.
I have stated many times you need a GM and coach to be on the same page of which DW was not. He needed a coach who wanted big athletic defensive lineman and knew how to use them. He got Rex who wanted space eaters and great LBs. It is like hiring a 5 star Italian to cook Asian.
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1 hour ago, StHustle said:
Never got why people hate Booger so much (besides the terrible nickname). He is one of the he more knowledgeable guys on broadcasting and articulates it well imo. I think all he needs is polish.
Would love to hear the reasons you want Booger out of the job. I always see people bad talk him but rarely hear any reasons of substance
Booger distracts from the game- he does not add to it. Romo adds a little and then shuts up.
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Unless he is willing to take a 2 year 12 million a year type contract I do not want him. I know that we will have to spend a lot to keep our own in the next 3 years and to replace Hughes and others. I do not think he brings value for more than that I am happy we have a GM who thinks the same
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I am glad Diggs was not here in one way, Brown and Allen have a feel for each other now. Allen will now have his " favorite" reciever and a new stud reciever to go along with his smaller guys. I expect a big step forward for Allen since Brown will be getting much more one on one coverage and should be open much more.
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20 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
Might not have been playing on wildcard weekend, I can point to at least two games (Ravens and first Pats) too of my head that were lost pretty much singularly on receivers not being able to separate and come down with a contested catch.
The one ball on sidelines, which I think sealed Zays trip out, would have been a catch most likely for Diggs and no way an interception. (It was not an interception by the rules anyway but not my point)
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If you mean as a coach I would be on board because he was a less athletic version of Josh- but the dude will never play on an NFL game again effectively.
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8 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:
Suckitude is a relative value. Based on where he was picked, he sucks. The fault of where he was drafted isn't his. Much of what has transpired since, is his fault. He took a prove it deal for a reason as he has much to prove. Does he have value? Yes. Is his value as over inflated as it was? Not any longer. Maybe a one year deal will light his fire. Time will tell.
Are you trying to say that a $9 million guaranteed contract is a " prove it" contract? He is still being paid well and btw he is on a team that a small chance at super bowl next year. Is this what you say about all the guys who take below market to go to the Pat's*?
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I have been watching most of the games this past season on gamepass and I will state absolutely that he was better than the opposing QB most games, at least 9 times he was better and I would state 3 times he was equal. That mkes him at least average in my book in his second year. A little improvement and he is top 10 this year.
I also want to point out that in 4 of the last 6 games he played a full game he had great QBR numbers and only only Baltimore was bad. He is not a volume number guy but an efficient number guy
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I agree up to this point Watson has been better than Josh but I think in the next 10 years Josh will be the better QB due to be a better athlete and having better coaching, not to mention a better team around him. I doubt he catches Mahomes or Wilson but I would not be surprised if he is right behind them.
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22 hours ago, WorstTEever81 said:
I would say Chaisson also... could be the next Aaron 'Mayhem' Maybin
I have not watched enough to know but that is an insult of highest order.
16 hours ago, mannc said:Tua, without a doubt. He's injury-prone, undersized and had the luxury of throwing to NFL receivers his entire career. I would love it if the Phins took him and I'd love it even more if they move up for the privilege.
I have a co-worker who has watched all of Tua and says the biggest thing for him will be a good line and patient coaches. The fact Tua almost always had a large advantage talent wise will require him to adjust and his line will need to keep him upright to survive
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The question is whether Milano wants to win or make more because I believe someone will pay him more than us but I doubt they will be a good team because he is a player who is only good when he can fly around and the other players keep him from getting hit
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8 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:
I think incognito is one concussion away from ending up completely brain dead. He still thinks he hears voices in his head. I was happy when we cut him loose. He was out of control
I do not say this flippantly but I fear Incognito has serious mental issues that need to be addressed when he is done playing or his life after football is going to be short. He thankfully has been able to channel some of his destructive force onto a football field. I hope he finds someone to help him
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10 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:
There's a strong wind blowing and you're pissing in it.
Tibs is just going to run you around and around until you can't possibly fathom that someone could be that intentionally stupid. So you'll go another round or two and then at one point you will stop, read, and realize that yes, someone could be that intentionally stupid and his name is Tiberius.
Save yourself the trouble. Put him on ignore like most everyone else.
I have never done ignore but I am about to figure it out.
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4 hours ago, Tiberius said:
You are full of it, just stop while you are behind
Once again where was I wrong? I said he cut red tape I gave you two examples that impacted my direct circle of friends and you won?
2 QBs that are former #1 overall picks and the Patriots don’t have a QB. Hmm.
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I agree with Winston but disagree with Newton- he will never be great again because he can not run like he used to run and therefore is only a mediocre QB.