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I really have to agree with this. I was thinking during the game, watching the complete ineptitude that is our offense, and wondered why has Orton regressed so much? He's never looked like Brady, but he seems to have trouble with a 7yard pass now! He's getting worse.. almost with every pass. I think another issue is the overall design and implementation of our offense. We allow the defense to dictate to us in down and distance all too often. How often on 2nd and 1or 2 do we throw deep? No, we usually wait till its 3rd and long. But, that's playing right into the defense. Then when Orton has to rush because a blitzer is coming, we blame him for the bad pass. Or a playaction slant across the middle when the palyaction causes the LBs to stay in the middle of the field. We blame the players for not connecting. It just seems all too often, the plays don't isolate our playmakers in the defense, but almost draws defenders to them. Look, by no means is Orton a great QB. Or is Pears a great guard. But, our offensive game plans seem to exacerbate the situation more than anything else.

I was thinking about this last night... and I have to agree. Marrone IS changing the culture of this team. For the first time in forever, I no longer wonder if the team is going to come out of the locker room flat. They always play hard-hitting, passionate football. Also, I've noticed that I don't just expect they'll blow the lead each game. I may not be certain we'll win, but I don't just expect to lose. For me... that's changing the culture of this team. And, I do give Marrone credit for that. I'm still not completely sold on him as HC. But, the last 2 weeks are going a long way to changing that. We've played 2 of the best 3 teams in the league (in 2 weeks we'll play the 3rd), and we've more than held our own. That says alot. I still think Hackett needs to go. Our offense is still abyssmal. We need a good QB. And I have no idea where you get one of those without a top 5 draft pick. But, this team is close. It's good. And Marrone is making a strong case for keeping it together... with a few tweaks, namely OC. It's going to be extmemely interesting to see how the off season goes. But for now.... we got 2 more weeks of football! So, I'm gonna worry about that and for the first time in a decade.... forget all about the draft and what top coaching candidates are out there!!

How about that kickoff specialist dude who rarely kicks it in the endzone, and occasionally kicks it out of bounds?

So... what are you drinking tonight?

I type too slow! But, I like the way you're thinking

I'm not going to defend Marrone, but if he gets us a winning record and beats agood team like the Packers doing it... maybe he deserves to stay? My game balls: Rambo - from nowhere to intercepting the league MVP twice Super Mario - made the biggest play of the game, at the giggest time in the game Schwartz - he has this defense playing out of their minds!

what is worrisome is that after a really exciting game, with plenty of huge plays, we beat a Super Bowl contending team... and a comment by the coach is what you want to focus on. There's a time and a place for everytihing. This is not thr time nor the place to be criticizing the HC moments after the biggest win in his career.

#30 wants what every Bills player that's played his guts out wants! For the the league to love the Bills as much as they love it.

They are.... but Marrone is pulling out all the stops (as he flashes his pin stripe bowl rings)! So, ya never know. I hope he's healthy, and probably is. But, I want to see how he reacts as the game wears on. Either way, I think Fred and Boobie are the key to this game more than Watkins or Woods. But what do I know... I'm not an NFL coordinator. So you're saying this is the most important game this year?

Week 15: Green Bay Packers at Buffalo Bills Sunday, December 14, 2014 at 1:00pm TV Network: Fox (TV Map) Announcers: Justin Kutcher, David Diehl DirecTV: 710 Bills Radio: On the call: John Murphy (play by play), Mark Kelso (analyst), Sal Capaccio (sideline) Flagship: Buffalo – WGR550 (550AM); Toronto - 590 The Fan; Rochester - WCMF (96.5) and WROC (950AM); Syracuse - WKRL (100.9/WKLL 94.9) Sirius/XM: 127 (Internet 803) ================================================================= Game Preview: Aaron Rodgers has boosted his MVP credentials while leading Green Bay to five consecutive wins, but the Packers still hold just a slim advantage in the NFC North. Rodgers will try to keep them in sole possession of first place while delivering the franchise's first road win over the Buffalo Bills on Sunday in his first start at Ralph Wilson Stadium. They've never won in five visits to Buffalo (7-6). Green Bay has beaten every other franchise on the road, and the only other current NFL cities where it hasn't won are Indianapolis (four visits) and Nashville (two). The Packers lost 24-10 in their latest game at Buffalo in 2006 as Rodgers watched Brett Favre from the sidelines. Rodgers threw for two touchdowns in his only game against the Bills, a 34-7 victory in 2010 in the teams' last meeting. Read more at ESPN game preview... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 15 Cheat Sheet Playbook: Packers vs. Bills NFL.com Preview: Packers at Bills NFL.com Game Center Team Stats: Bills Packers Total Yds/Game.... 327.2 387.5 Total Rush............. 96.3 114.3 Total Pass............. 230.9 273.2 Points/Game.......... 21.6 32.5 Time of Poss.......... 29.8 30.0 ---------------------------------------------- Yds/Gm Allowed... 311.9 374.4 Rush Yards........... 99.2 129.2 Pass Yards........... 212.8 245.2 Points Allowed........ 18.5 23.4 Source: NFL.com Overall Offense: Bills - 22nd; Packers - 6th Overall Defense: Bills - 5th; Packers - 26th MatchUp Comparison via SportingCharts.com Injury Report: Buffalo Bills NAME POSITION INJURY WED. THU. FRI. GAME STATUS Carpenter, Dan K Right Groin LP LP LP Probable Charles, Stefan DT Quad LP LP LP Probable Gragg, Chris TE Knee DNP DNP DNP Out Hairston, Chris T Illness DNP - - - Searcy, Da'Norris S Hamstring DNP LP DNP Out Williams, Mario DE Illness DNP - - - Williams, Mike WR Calf DNP DNP DNP Out Wynn, Jarius DE Knee LP LP LP Questionable Source: BuffaloBills.com Green Bay Packers NAME POSITION INJURY WED. THU. FRI. GAME STATUS Gaston, Bruce DT Illness - DNP LP Probable House, Davon CB Shoulder DNP DNP DNP Out Lacy, Eddie RB Hip LP LP LP Probable Lang, T.J. G Ankle LP LP LP Probable Perry, Nick LB Shoulder FP LP LP Probable Sitton, Josh G Toe LP LP LP Probable Source: Packers.com Practice Status Game Status DNP = Did Not Participate in Practice Out = Player will not play LP = Limited Participation - Less than 100% of normal reps Doubtful = 25% chance a player will play FP = Full Participation - 100% of a player's normal repetitions Questionable = 50% chance a player will play Out = Player will not play Probable = 75% chance a player will play (-) = Not Listed = No practice status available (-) = Not Listed - No game status available The Odds: Line: Packers -5 Over/Under: 50.5 Source: The LineMakers Up to date lines... if you're in Vegas. My Thoughts on the Game: This week we get what appears to be a carbon copy of last week's game. Our beloved Bills are on the outside looking in and facing a legitimate Super Bowl contender. And similar to last week, I expect a frustrating game. The defense will play sound and keep the game close. But, in the end, can Orton and our offense hang with Rodgers? I think even the most optimistic Bills' fan doesn't think that can happen. Still, stranger things have happened. So, I'll be watching. And looking for: 1. Hughes. I'm hoping he comes out determined to make a case that he should never be benched in a game. Rodgers is mobile, but if Hughes can get him a couple times, maybe we stand a chance. 2. Watkins. He appears to be playing hurt. He's not on the injury report and no one is talking about it. But, I'll be watching to see how he reacts after the play is over. 3. The game plan. Once again, we face a team that's weak against the run. Will we finally capitalize on that? We haven't had a rusher all season gain more than 70yds in a game; that needs to end. 4. The crowd. It's our last home game of the 2014 season. The last time we get to see the Ralph rocking. I hope everyone there has a great time and sees the Bills blow the Pack away with a huge win. Go Bills!!

My problem with our coaches is all too often, I feel like I know more about the game than they do. And, in no universe or alternate reality should that be the case. At that moment in the game, the coach required boldness. Either you go for it on 4th and 2 and risk losing the game if you don't make it. OR if you punt, stop them, get the ball back... you have to throw deep and score fast. Either way... you have to go against your conservative nature. A long slow drive, like they had may look good on the stat sheet, but it looses the game.... just like not converting the 4th and 2 would have done. Bottom line: Marrone took the safe and conservative option when everyone watching knows we needed to take the shot there,

You may be right. Maybe he just has a different style of coaching. But, there were times when the entire offense is sitting on the bench looking deflated. Then I'd look for Marrone and he's 20yds away looking away from the action looking deflated. It just seemed likenthe wrong message to send a team that needed its head in the game.

After sitting behind the bench and watching Marrone meander about with little interest in what was ocurring on the field, I could totally believe that he doesn't know who's on the field. He looked completely listless and disinterested. If a team takes on the personality of their head coach, then I think the offense does have their identity that everyone wonders about.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I know that if they didn't convert that 4th with 6mins left, it was game over. But, if they punt it away the chances are next to none that they'd get the ball back twice... needing 2 scores. So, you have to go for it! But, Marrone took the safe way out and guess what? We only got the ball once more. Broncos fans were convinced from the outset they would win. Had Buffalo won, I'm convinced half of Denver would have committed suicide. The certainty of their victory was never in doubt. Because it was Buffalo, plain and simple.

Just got in from the game... and here's my random thoughts. We had awesome seats! 3 rows behind the Bills bench on the 40yd line. Sweet! With that said, its a whole different perspective on the game and one that I'm just not used to, some things I just couldn't see. But what I did see: 1. Sammy Watkins is playing hurt. It looked like he had a good game on the stat sheet, but sitting on the bench you could see the pain on his face. At one point in the early 4th quarter he was literally wincing getting up to go back on the field. I'm not sure if its his hip or groin or what, but he's playing through pain. 2. Marrone looks like the most disinterested person in the stadium. I just don't get it. Half the game, he's not even watching what's going on on the field. Do all coaches do this... wander aimlessly looking as though they want to be somewhere else? Because that's how he looked to me. 3. What exactly happened with Hughes? We saw the pass breakup/interference on Sanders, then it looked like a fight over there. Then Hughes came back to the sideline... pissed! 4. Orton for all his sucktitude was the only offensive player I saw on the sideline regularly talking to a coach between series. Most of the others looked like their head coach... disinterested. Another reason I like Marrone less now. 5. It seemed like the best offensive play calling of the season. Was it? I couldn't see the formations and player groupings so much. 6. The penalties were so bad and so lopsided that even the Broncos fans were saying, after the Bills would make a good play... "wait where's the flag. There is it!" Seriously, how many BS calls were there? The jumbotron showed almost no replays so it felt like we got totally screwed! 7. The Bills fans showed up and represented well! It was a great time and we made the best of a crappy game. The Broncos fans, as well, were generally good natured and took my trash talk pretty good. So, we had fun. 8. Go Bills next week!

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Week 14: Buffalo Bills at Denver Broncos Sunday, December 7, 2014 at 4:05pm TV Network: CBS (TV Map) Announcers: Kevin Harlan, Rich Gannon DirecTV: 715 Bills Radio: On the call: John Murphy (play by play), Mark Kelso (analyst), Sal Capaccio (sideline) Flagship: Buffalo – WGR550 (550AM); Toronto - 590 The Fan; Rochester - WCMF (96.5) and WROC (950AM); Syracuse - WKRL (100.9/WKLL 94.9) Sirius/XM: 113 (Internet 803) ================================================================= Game Preview: The Denver Broncos' newfound offensive diversity might have arrived just in time to deal with the Buffalo Bills' stout pass defense. Then again, the success of that defense seems based almost entirely on the offense it faces, so Peyton Manning and the Broncos' receivers could still do some major damage Sunday in Denver. Buffalo (7-5), in the thick of the wild-card race, started the season with an intimidating rush defense that limited teams to an average of 67.5 yards and 2.79 per carry in six games. In six since, the Bills are allowing 125.2 and 4.85. Read more at ESPN game preview... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Denver Broncos Week 14 Preview: Buffalo Bills NFL.com Preview: Bills at Broncos NFL.com Game Center Team Stats: Bills Broncos Total Yds/Game.... 319.9 413.9 Total Rush............. 98.2 109.5 Total Pass............. 221.8 304.4 Points/Game.......... 22.0 30.1 Time of Poss.......... 29.5 31.0 ---------------------------------------------- Yds/Gm Allowed... 312.4 302.3 Rush Yards........... 96.3 72.7 Pass Yards........... 216.1 229.7 Points Allowed........ 18.1 23.0 Source: NFL.com Overall Offense: Bills - 24th; Broncos - 5th Overall Defense: Bills - 5th; Broncos - 3rd MatchUp Comparison via SportingCharts.com Injury Report: Buffalo Bills NAME POSITION INJURY WED. THU. FRI. GAME STATUS Carpenter, Dan K Right Groin LP LP LP Probable Dareus, Marcell DT Hip LP LP LP Probable Glenn, Cordy T Illness DNP - - - Gragg, Chris TE Knee DNP DNP DNP Out Hogan, Chris WR Hamstring LP LP LP Probable Rambo, Bacarri S Hamstring LP LP LP Probable Watkins, Sammy WR Hip LP LP LP Probable Williams, Mike WR Calf - LP DNP Out Williams, Kyle DT Illness DNP - - - Woods, Robert WR Ankle LP LP LP Probable Wynn, Jarius DE Knee DNP DNP DNP Out Source: BuffaloBills.com Cleveland Browns NAME POSITION INJURY WED. THU. FRI. GAME STATUS Anderson, C.J. RB Ankle FP FP FP Probable Ball, Montee RB Groin DNP DNP DNP Out Carter, Quinton S Knee DNP DNP LP Questionable Cornick, Paul T Shoulder FP FP FP Probable Hillman, Ronnie RB Foot DNP DNP DNP Out Knighton, Terrance DT Elbow - LP LP Questionable Latimer, Cody WR Concussion - LP DNP Out McCray, Lerentee LB Illness DNP LP LP Probable Montgomery, Will C Knee LP FP FP Probable Smith, Quanterus DE Ribs - - LP Questionable Talib, Aqib CB Hamstring FP FP FP Probable Tamme, Jacob TE Ribs DNP LP LP Questionable Thomas, Demaryius WR Ankle LP DNP LP Probable Thomas, Julius TE Ankle LP LP LP Questionable Thompson, Juwan RB Knee FP FP FP Probable Webster, Kayvon CB Shoulder DNP DNP DNP Out Welker, Wes WR Non-injury DNP FP FP Probable Source: DenverBroncos.com Practice Status Game Status DNP = Did Not Participate in Practice Out = Player will not play LP = Limited Participation - Less than 100% of normal reps Doubtful = 25% chance a player will play FP = Full Participation - 100% of a player's normal repetitions Questionable = 50% chance a player will play Out = Player will not play Probable = 75% chance a player will play (-) = Not Listed = No practice status available (-) = Not Listed - No game status available The Odds: Line: Broncos -10 Over/Under: 48.5 Source: The LineMakers Up to date lines... if you're in Vegas. My Thoughts on the Game: And so here we are... in December, at 7-5, no room to spare, and facing perhaps our toughest team of the year. Where else would you rather be than right here, right now? So, let's go. This game is in no way going to be easy. All week, I keep reading about how we can stop Peyton and the Denver offense. However, I think that's missing the point. Sure, we have to slow Manning down, but we're going to have to score points. During last week's Broncos game, they flashed a stat... in Manning's career, teams that have scored less than 21 points have only beaten him 8 times (or close to that). Against teams scoring more than 21, Manning is closer to a 60% win percentage. So, what does that mean? We have to score! And that's going to be tough with our offense, on the road, facing a solid defense. The Broncos can get after the QB and they're tough to run up the middle on. So, we're going to have figure something out. So what will I be looking for? 1. Our run game. We can't try running up the middle all game. Pot Roast is too big and too strong in the middle. I really think edge rushes are the order of the day. It would be nice to see some creativity to get our backs in space, but I think we all know that won't happen. 2. Miller and Ward. We have to contain them, chip them, do something. The two of them could kill Orton if they don't find a way to slow these guys down. 3. Our secondary. I have no doubt our line will get after Manning. But, he's going to get the ball out fast. Can Gilmore and company handle it? If so, we should be able to cause Manning fits. 4. Denver's Oline. The last 2 weeks they've put 6 linemen in to get the run game going. If they try that again, we have to adjust and shut the run game down. Hopefully, 2 games is enough tape to give Schwartz what he needs to stop their running attack. 5. The field and the crowd. I don't get to go to many games, in fact a very small few. But, I scored tickets and get to see the Bills in person for the first time in years. It's gonna be fun regardless of the outcome; I can't wait to see that kick off! Go Bills!!!

Makes is all the better! Seriously, cool.

Awesome! I won't tell you what I paid for mine then either. If you see a tall dude in Bills gear and an ugly brown hat... that's me. lol It's going to be 4 of us. Me and my sister, Bills fans! And her husband and his dad, life long Broncos fans (that's how we got the tickets: he knows some season holders). Right now the debate is can we force them to go to the Bills backer party and tailgate!!

This is great news... but do we have to resurrect old threads and change the title to report it? It may keep the overall thread count down, but you have to sift through 60 some odd posts to see what's going on. Is it really better to have few, looong threads than several smaller ones?

Jauron ball did it every time. Josh Reed motioned in, which ever side he stopped on, that's where the RB was going every single time. Hackett said he studied previous Bills offenses, looks like he took notes!

...and more informative than all the talking heads.

Everyone here is talking about the Bills defense getting to Manning and keeping it close. That's all well and good. But, in my mind, the key to this game is our offensive line. The Broncos have 2 elite pass rushers on the edge and huge Pot Roast clogging up the middle. I'm not even sure Orton wil survive this game let alone score points.

Orton has had this game circled for months! It's his chance to go back home and prove to Denver they chose the wrong QB over him! Manning is in for a shitstorm of Orton bombs! Trap game? Let's stop making excuses for Denver when they get rolled by Gray! Seriously... with our offensive line, does anyone else think Ware and Miller may kill Orton before the second quarter?

I'm gonna be there! It's a rare Bills game that I have the luck of attending. My brother in law (Broncos fan) scored us great seats, 3 rows up from the visitors bench about 45yd line. Can't wait to see Orton out duel Manning.