Dan

Its gonna be another QB. Once Kelly fails, then we have no choice but to get a good young QB in here that can be the future.

Exactly.

I'm afraid people are just missing the point. The point is everyone says don't worry JP you don't have to carry the team. But, then when the team flounders, who gets the blame? Its a double standard. And myself, and probably most people here upset about this are more upset about that than anything. Its the double standard. Its the being sold one thing and given another. I was perfectly content watching our team go 8-8 this year with JP. Because he was our future and was going to take us to the superbowl someday... not just the playoffs. But, now they've changed the rules and JP may not be the future. So what was it. Also, myself and many others see the big picture. And know that more often than not, when you pull young promising QBs and screw with their heads, you screw their careers. So its not about the next 2-3 weeks. For me, its what kind of team are we going to be for the next 5-6 years. Right now, they've taken a huge step towards uncertainty and that's what I don't like. I'd gladly give up this season, if Iwas reasonably sure it would give us 5 or 6 great ones in the future. Now, who knows what we'll get htis season or next. I guess I'll just watch the game, drink a little, and sit back when its all over and see .. see I told you so to myself again. Because I've seen this train wreck coming.

Exactly. KH can through one pass and have better stats than JP. But what does that tell us. Nothing. What if KH's stats are better but we still lose? Then we leave him in and say are QB looks real good back there? Who cares that we lost? I don't cause man that guy looks good. It's like Favre. He looked great on Monday night - statwise. But the Packers still lost, so it means crap. Starting KH means crap, unless he's the reason we win. If he's the reason we win, then maybe I'll cahnge my mind. But unitl I see him prove he's other than a journey man on his last stop before retirement, I say this is a big mistake - bargaining the future, for a high today.

What happens when KH plays so-so. But we win because they finally give it to Willis 30 times during the game. Then what? We decide KH looks better handing the ball off than JP.

What'll happen is they'll finally run the ball more than pass. As a result Willis will have a big game. KH numbers won't look bad - although they won't be spectacular. And we'll win the game. Then everyone will say, see KH was the right choice. That will play out for a few weeks but then the bubble will bursts and we'll see exactly why KH is a journeyman QB that has never amounted to much. But by then, we'll have lost another year of JP's development and we'll be in this same predicament next year - a young qb with no experience. So we'll try to beef up the receivers and maybe bring in a better backup QB because KH couldn't do it. All the while ignoring the line. Sounds like the last 5-10 years in a nutshell to me. De je vue.

It's all bull sh--. JP will never get better on the sideline. KH has never proven that he should be a starter anywhere. How we go from the season is not on JP's shoulder's to.. its JP's fault lets bench him is beyond me. It's not about supporting anyone player, its about supporting a team. If you bench one guy because he's not performing, then they should bench half theteam right now. Mularky just dropped tremendously in my book. We'll still be lucky to finsh 8-8 this year, regardless of who's the qb. All they're doing is playing a trucky game with a young man's confidence and his ability to be a leader. This team has gone downhill since they unceremoniously cut Thomas, Reed, and Smith and now the sh-- continues. Let's all blame who's not the problem and just keep rolling to sell tickets and merchandise.

It wasn't stats. It was attitude that I liked.

If they did announce that, it'd be the first mistake - giving the Fins time to think about KH and not JP. Not to mention the other mistake.

Amen to that. Haddad was a great young and "wanting to prove himself" receiver. I think he'd be leading the team in recieving right now if not for being so undeservedly cut.

Well, I certainly wasn't someone that signing KH was the greatest thing since sliced bread. But, I do see your point. Stranger things have happened. I haven't given up on the season, mostly because I never really got behind the season. I being somewhat level headed and a student of history, knew that JP was going to struggle this year. That he would play some games and look good and then follow up a week later looking miserable. So the season, in my mind is not at all lost. In fact, we're 1 game better than we were last year. And of our 3 losses, 2 were to teams that are (at this point) looking like Superbowl contenders. I'm not saying we should protect a No. 1 pick or anything. I'm just saying that if JP supposedly has all the potential that everyone seems to think he has, then why don't we let him play and develop that potential. He was pulled last week when we were down by 6 points. How great for his and the teams confidence would it have been if he were able to struggle all game like he had and finally get a drive together in the 4th quarter that put us in the lead? Win or lose, it would have done immeasurable good to this team not on now but for years to come - certainly in comaprison to him watching KH try. If we don't give him a chance, how will he ever become the starter of the future that leads us to the Superbowl?

True, but that's a marketing ploy by the teams to make money. But the NFL will only let them do it for 2 games each year. The real uniforms are all becoming just that.. uniform. Of all the teams with new uniforms recently, look at the colors and tell me they're not all the same few colors. Why is that?

Anything is clearly possible. I mean no one, and I mean not even Miami fans would have thought that after 4wks Miami would be in first place and NE would be in 2nd place in the division. So sure, anything is possible. But before I even begin to think about getting my hopes up, I want to see how this team plays over the next 2 weeks. Because I agree. The next 2 games are critical as far as hope for the rest of the season goes.

No way they're tailored to each athlete. Do you know how much money that would cost? Why do you think all the Uni's are switching to the same colors and styles... to save money.

The problem with benching JP is... what good does it get you? Now, if we're reasonably confident that KH will get us to the Superbowl that's one thing, but lets face it - that ain't gonna happen. So, if JP is sucking because he has no experience and he's benched, when does he get that experience? We put in KH just so we can have a chance of possibly making the playoffs, only to decide that he's not the answer. Then next season we start JP and we're in the same place we are now... a young QB with no experience. So, I say keep him in and write off this season as lost, but hope for the best - maybe he can come around and we make the playoffs. Either way next year, we're actually better at that position. In essence waste 1 year with JP, not 2. Because benching JP for KH will certainly waste this year. If KH was a palyoff caliber QB, why's he in Buffalo backing up a 2nd year guy? So, anyone that thinks KH is the answer is diluted. T There's absolutely no assurance that JP riding the bench another year will suddenly make him a quality QB. If he plays at least we'll begin to have that answer by the end of the season.

I reckon being from the south I didn't see it as being that funny. And actually thought it quite profound.

I'm sure if you go back 4, 5, or even 7 years you'd see the same thing. Now what does that say about our team.

I thought the same thing. With JP in there we stood a much better chance of converting. The play call was totally predictable givven the personel on the field.

Great so Favre throws 4 TD's and 300 yards. But they lost. I'll take crappy indiv. stats and a team Win over good 4th quarter stats in a Loss, anyday.

I'm for anything at this point with this "line". But I think they also need to look at the offensive play calling. According to the guy on Total Access (can't recall his name), he said the Saints defenders told him "the Bills offense was predictable". They essentially knew what was coming. I'ev said it before, if I can sit half way across the country in my living room, half drunk, and scarfing fried pickles, and can still call the play - don't you think the opposing defenses know what's coming to. I'm not saying get tricky. I'm just saying stop using the same formations and player packages for the same plays over and over. Empty backfields and I formations pretty much lead to one thing.

I suppose this is the humor post for the day.

If there was ever an answer to the question... what's more important the QB or the O-line. Then look no further than Green Bay. Favre, the greatest quarterback, no the greatest human being to ever live (sorry for the sarcasm) looks like crap this year. Why? Because his O-line is gone and he;s left to fend for himself. All of a sudden he looks average and the Packers are winless. So, how can any QB young or old succeed in Buffalo with the line we have, we've had, we will have for a seeming eternity.

As soon as I saw McGee get past the "last" Saint, I told my sister, "oh sh--, there's too many Bills players around him. He's going to run into one of them and get tackled!" Imagine my surprise when it actually happened.

Well, i imagine its hard to make a perfect throw every time you're given a chance, in between the multitude of times you have a 300 pound guy in your face. And now hair length is the overriding factor in a players performance. Definitely makes sense.

Name 1 experienced QB that could win consistently with this offense, or with a defense that can't stop anyone. There are none. So, why throw any of the blame on a first year QB? So what can JP do to help the defense?